From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 17 04:59:15 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HztPP-0002FZ-8Y for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:59:14 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.231]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HztPH-0002FI-DL for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:59:04 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1515802wxc for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:58:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GXx6y73YYz5NeaUNPBYMkW090J4ISOtR5Q2h/8NzZeT8ydrloVkEpeQ22tM4DijRPSpvgP03R3eS4jb62q+dW8rmooKgQn9kSo2UU5suXpGAyrytXmDlrEpS88sD97pVpqE1R6DMcHqdlqxYt4O1Y4yVSrjvI1Y4RDkBIGag+I8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=F6YlLukEwHrJxGhqxX6O4DQ8+Cq90Iz+WcCgBLZXMCjVIj+8cgj3XgYd9/RUkfBuDMBIEUFE+ObEIcotJyKLVQNx4x80ZI1eKTjvJ4xjG2gG86Bi7uNlxg25imEGlJXODWKeO55vXhSqiIdFlwunUQw+U7S1ehZLndtgqq7Mpww= Received: by 10.70.90.18 with SMTP id n18mr7836551wxb.1182081535622; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.9.14 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0706170458j45b5e48racefd16b266ede2e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:58:55 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Logical connectives In-Reply-To: <005c01c7b0c6$6c007150$47e9f7d9@ayuwiqa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10969_28580856.1182081535594" References: <004101c7b0ae$8b630930$47e9f7d9@ayuwiqa> <1182066753.4674e84162316@ssl0.ovh.net> <005c01c7b0c6$6c007150$47e9f7d9@ayuwiqa> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4991 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_10969_28580856.1182081535594 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline {.a} should be interpreted as "OR/AND" rather than the exclusive "OR" (XOR). (1) says that: Alice drinks tea OR/AND coffee | AND | John drinks tea OR/AND coffee. Alice may drink either "tea OR coffee" or "tea AND coffee". The same goes for John. So, we can't assume "Alice drinks (exclusively) tea and John drinks (exclusively) coffee", and vice versa. {.a} in (1) allows both (2) and (3) to be true. mu'o mi'e vid On 6/17/07, Daniel Goetzmann wrote: > > m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > Selon Daniel Goetzmann : > > > >> coi rodo > >> > >> I'm wondering about the meaning of bridi that have eks in more than > >> one place. Consider the following bridi: > >> > >> (1) la alis e la djan pinxe loi tcati a loi ckafi > > > > Hi Daniel. I don't know about your logical problem but > > I think you need points: at the end of names, e.g. > > {alis.} and {djan.}, and at the beginning of connectives, > > e.g. {.a}, {.e} and {.i}. > > > > Martin > > You're right. There should even be a period before {.alis.} because it's a > word beginning with a vowel. I read that "technically, the period is an > optional reminder to the reader" (refgram, chapter 3). However, that does > not mean that it's good to omit the periods. > > mu'o mi'e daniel > > > > > ------=_Part_10969_28580856.1182081535594 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline {.a} should be interpreted as "OR/AND" rather than the exclusive "OR" (XOR). (1) says that:

Alice drinks tea OR/AND coffee | AND | John drinks tea OR/AND coffee.

Alice may drink either "tea OR coffee" or "tea AND coffee". The same goes for John. So, we can't assume "Alice drinks (exclusively) tea and John drinks (exclusively) coffee", and vice versa. {.a} in (1) allows both (2) and (3) to be true.

mu'o mi'e vid


On 6/17/07, Daniel Goetzmann <cestricu@googlemail.com> wrote:
m.kornig@sondal.net wrote:
> Selon Daniel Goetzmann < cestricu@googlemail.com>:
>
>> coi rodo
>>
>> I'm wondering about the meaning of bridi that have eks in more than
>> one place. Consider the following bridi:
>>
>> (1) la alis e la djan pinxe loi tcati a loi ckafi
>
> Hi Daniel. I don't know about your logical problem but
> I think you need points: at the end of names, e.g.
> {alis.} and {djan.}, and at the beginning of connectives,
> e.g. {.a}, {.e} and {.i}.
>
> Martin

You're right. There should even be a period before {.alis.} because it's a
word beginning with a vowel. I read that "technically, the period is an
optional reminder to the reader" (refgram, chapter 3). However, that does
not mean that it's good to omit the periods.

mu'o mi'e daniel





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