From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 18 03:49:14 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0EnJ-0002xH-4P for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:49:13 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.225]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0EnF-0002x7-6P for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:49:12 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1705216wxc for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:49:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=RdnGfLq4nhpTXusbHitVuWEaORmNRmr3q+M2FjNNja8W3IxVtTE5AB3BRtK7Qa49iSQMEtrQ8ScBziw/UHbiANZP/FqNRCO4hhZrimb/+t+nCnw2yekpfpk7Bo0yuJPKnZ8I8walhEF3e3lGmpKXk8d87P8vJP8n1zpm9UQs60Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QEolFSHa/iNWmOnvLzq8p39J64SmxVKwV4W8lwEJQTz0wI3G6ClY1Gt/t/1wMXaaalOU2TsCX4sUDPyopEksRM6vAofr0hUmukrpIY1a4bDinnw3Q1Vrho/RF//BH5WtnU2bkwTcb8zrINcjDmZtZWyDLZbjfoU9zEcoZFYiLI0= Received: by 10.70.117.3 with SMTP id p3mr9536664wxc.1182163747627; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.9.14 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0706180349l733ac112h77580bb64ce5c3a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:49:07 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners Subject: [lojban-beginners] lujvo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17565_8001875.1182163747595" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: 5 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5003 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_17565_8001875.1182163747595 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Reference Grammar Ch.12, Sect.3: In fact, the relationship will almost always be so close that the predicate expressing r will be either the seltau or the tertau predicate itself. This should come as no surprise, given that a word like ``zdani'' in Lojban is a predicate. Predicates express relations; so when you're looking for a relation to tie together ``le zdani'' and ``le gerku'', the most obvious relation to pick is the very relation named by the tertau, ``zdani'': the relation between a home and its dweller. As a result, the object which fills the first place of ``gerku'' (the dog) also fills the second place of ``zdani'' (the house-dweller). I don't understand the last part. Why not the first place of "zdani" (the house)? The text previously validates such one of the possible meanings of the veljvo (gerku zdani) as "dogs which are also houses (e.g. houses for fleas)", in which the object filling the first place of "gerku" also fills the first place of "zdani". mu'o mi'e vid ------=_Part_17565_8001875.1182163747595 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Reference Grammar Ch.12, Sect.3:
In fact, the relationship will almost always be so close that the predicate expressing r will be either the seltau or the tertau predicate itself. This should come as no surprise, given that a word like ``zdani'' in Lojban is a predicate. Predicates express relations; so when you're looking for a relation to tie together ``le zdani'' and ``le gerku'', the most obvious relation to pick is the very relation named by the tertau, ``zdani'': the relation between a home and its dweller. As a result, the object which fills the first place of ``gerku'' (the dog) also fills the second place of ``zdani'' (the house-dweller).

I don't understand the last part. Why not the first place of "zdani" (the house)? The text previously validates such one of the possible meanings of the veljvo (gerku zdani) as " dogs which are also houses (e.g. houses for fleas)", in which the object filling the first place of "gerku" also fills the first place of "zdani".

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