From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 18 11:08:34 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0LeT-000245-9f for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:08:33 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.248]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0LeQ-00023x-1o for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:08:32 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so418418ana for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:08:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rsTSl0Mvlc7mcN93g9v5j+i1Jgd8HKDh/C3/EuXV6q8bY1ZyLWPnem5gxW6VPMn5cGmXpw7ZaHACNdHoUDMRP2knzDnrUVdeDXH/p5yimDZ4ToBw0UH7G0/EDOiT3xafbD4w1g4jE1iIZHS03d57zageOffEzhlPWPjxEm64kRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=h7SgzqRMD9zb8qLaT4ByGnhF/A+N7pqkj6Fsmf3xR7l6zYmoQr6EUaAmSbahJ0+UGIQiBbPehwHLr/4+e12cMe6wTEi4egES9E/yBdrlRXo2jUHJuIvpv4IpOmxSMkmMaxdsHmhOmfsbkIdNhY48kfrYJFpJ6IWr/LHhOZUvRag= Received: by 10.100.132.16 with SMTP id f16mr3677686and.1182190108445; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706181108k4f245f43ye1ca904207833890@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:08:28 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: consonant doubling? In-Reply-To: <1182187693.4676c0add509b@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1182179984.4676a290aa1b5@ssl0.ovh.net> <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7DCE@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> <925d17560706180835w6b83c04fl2a2b6eb61f45c3ce@mail.gmail.com> <1182187693.4676c0add509b@ssl0.ovh.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5026 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/18/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > Oh, I knew about voiced-unvoiced clusters. But I > didn't know about {sc} and {zj}. I can pronounce > both of them (even stand-alone, i.e. without a > vowel). Why would you want to exclude these > sounds? I wouldn't want to, but they were excluded by the designers. Those are not so bad, because they at least follow some reasonable rule. I find the exclusion of {mz}, {cx}, {xc}, {kx} and {xk} more arbitrary and unreasonable. > Where can I find a complete list of consonants > clustes that are prohibited? Or, if the > list is very long, the complete set of rules for > consonants clusters? It's in the reference grammar, chapter 3, section 6: mu'o mi'e xorxes