From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 18 13:14:31 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0NcM-0004fN-Mw for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:14:31 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0NcI-0004fF-LA for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:14:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 8982 invoked by uid 503); 18 Jun 2007 20:14:46 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 18 Jun 2007 20:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail19.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2007 20:14:46 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2007 20:14:10 -0000 Received: from 211.101-225-89.dsl.completel.net (211.101-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.101.211]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:14:10 +0200 Message-ID: <1182197650.4676e792850d9@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:14:10 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: Lojban mailing for beginners Subject: [lojban-beginners] la MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.101.211 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5032 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Hi again, Consider the following sentences: {mi'e klaus.} {mi'e pat.} on the one hand and {la pat. melbi .i la klaus. prami la pat.} on the other. On the one hand you have the names {klaus.} and {pat.}. Then you have the people {la klaus.} and {la pat.}. At least this is my understanding of the presence of {la} in the second set of example sentences. Why can't Lojban just identify people with their names (as all other languages seem to do)? {la} seems to be an unnecessary complication. Why can't we just say {pat. melbi .i klaus. prami pat.}? Martin