From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 18 14:32:37 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0Opw-0006P7-Mv for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:32:37 -0700 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0Ops-0006Oq-KU for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:32:36 -0700 Received: from [91.32.32.103] (helo=[192.168.178.21]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1I0Oph2xkH-0004OW; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:32:25 +0200 Message-ID: <4676F9E8.5090404@online.de> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:32:24 +0200 From: Klaus Schmirler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de-AT; rv:1.8.1.2pre) Gecko/20070111 SeaMonkey/1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la References: <1182197650.4676e792850d9@ssl0.ovh.net> In-Reply-To: <1182197650.4676e792850d9@ssl0.ovh.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+PDgr8BMdLEF9Do+zftWofBpgj9/F2Eno/FMN WTbNxi/BPOq5Kdqn4KY9mmfFUN8xSdLaRVi6VCqZrGET+oDf+T 7QullmizoDesb/hCn8vag== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5036 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: KSchmir@online.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners m.kornig@sondal.net schrieb: > Why can't Lojban just identify people with > their names (as all other languages seem to do)? > {la} seems to be an unnecessary complication. Why > can't we just say {pat. melbi .i klaus. prami pat.}? I ben der Klaus unn schwätz Schwäbisch. <-> I heuß Klaus. At least some German dialects and Portuguese like an article when referring to a person by name. What's worse, the languages that don't often don't offer a vocative case either to sidtinguish between mentioning and adressing a person. So the Lojbanic practice is not that uncommon. Klaus