From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 18 15:08:09 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0POK-0007HR-4Z for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:08:09 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.247]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0POH-0007H5-0m for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:08:07 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so434683ana for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:07:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pe53bT6JXlqklFhEuCrW/YMnmWqa+Df0LLOjkJ0EJYaUGJ6P26qjHbkbjFdi7xnI2oqaHuoPvmS9DYCM/exnmFI0aaBee/83QbVWhEhcEsA1HmG2g7IqTaagqwMyszpCRQdU3DkLshHeTfy4mZuqL+Ls25RBq2McebV1mdmGz84= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tSRtvhD4Ez4V3LDOWzi/cyoC8vUjGgVCOJyVuDMnAM2mbUqKuF8P1gjCL7GDYy/0RuPPMiHuPGpZ1RQsILEIosAmXba5PtujO3qHQ6lLBKlX67MpCv0zPTZi4NFTIvG3RZoSsthu3frMiuH6DNb0ixVilQL7+qeopxnWAqM0Wgg= Received: by 10.100.226.15 with SMTP id y15mr2216653ang.1182204468919; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.122.14 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <23dc8c770706181507u5fc3575as2eb6c2f38e0215f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:07:48 +0000 From: "Karl Naylor" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: consonant doubling? In-Reply-To: <1182187693.4676c0add509b@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1182179984.4676a290aa1b5@ssl0.ovh.net> <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7DCE@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> <925d17560706180835w6b83c04fl2a2b6eb61f45c3ce@mail.gmail.com> <1182187693.4676c0add509b@ssl0.ovh.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5038 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: karl.org@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 18/06/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > Oh, I knew about voiced-unvoiced clusters. But I > didn't know about {sc} and {zj}. I can pronounce > both of them (even stand-alone, i.e. without a > vowel). Why would you want to exclude these > sounds? Good for you if you can pronounce those, but not everyone can. I find myself unable to pronounce {sc} without sounding like {c}, for instance. The sound could be padded (eg. with a short "i" sound) of course, but not everyone will do that, and I think many listeners would be confused as to whether they had heard {c} or {sc}.