From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 19 04:22:00 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0bmV-0001eM-HL for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:21:55 -0700 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0bmC-0001dr-LG for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:21:52 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-294319 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:21:22 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007061907212207120 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:21:22 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:21:22 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7B263.F72FC637" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:21:22 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7DD5@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0706181826s38e20a90v1ff3076502fa695@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: la Thread-Index: AceyJazVJ7pe8JIHS36pDqqWuFcqIQAPZRuQ From: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2007 11:21:22.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7541E20:01C7B263] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5052 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B263.F72FC637 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the main problem here is one of semantics between you two. = A "hyphen" in lojban has a very specific meaning. It's a leter that = glues two things together into one single word, such as "y" between = disallowed consonant pairs, or "r" joining two CVV rafsi, or "r","n" or = "l" gluing the front part of a fui'vla to the back part. A period is = nothing more or less than a required pause in speaking. la.djak.kenedis = is exactly the same as la djak. kenedis. (or, in simplified writing, = "la djak kenedis") A "la" can be followed by any number of cmevla, = turning them all into a single name That's why la ja.jak.rusol is not = allowed, because "ja" isn't a cmevla =20 --gejyspa =20 =20 ________________________________ From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org = [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Vid Sintef Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:26 PM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la =20 On 6/19/07, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > How does {boi} differ from the hyphen {.}? >=20 > Not sure what you mean, {.} is not a hyphen.=20 The {.} works as hyphenation between words, right? {la djak.kenedis.}... = if it isn't that {djak} and {kenedis} are hyphenated with {.}, what is = it? Are {jan.pol} and {levin.stros} for the hyphenated names "Jean-Paul" = and "L=E9vi-Strauss" wrong, then?=20 mu'o mi'e vid ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B263.F72FC637 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=A0=A0=A0 I think the main problem = here is one of semantics between you two.=A0 A "hyphen" in lojban has a = very specific meaning.=A0 It's a leter that glues two things together into = one single word, such as "y" between disallowed consonant pairs, or = "r" joining two CVV rafsi, or "r","n" or "l" = gluing the front part of a fui'vla to the back part.=A0 A period is nothing = more or less than a required pause in speaking.=A0 la.djak.kenedis is exactly the = same as la djak. kenedis.=A0 =A0(or, in simplified writing, "la djak = kenedis") A "la" can be followed by any number of cmevla, turning them all = into a single name=A0 That's why la ja.jak.rusol is not allowed, because = "ja" isn't a cmevla

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = --gejyspa

From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org = [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Vid Sintef
Sent: Monday, June 18, = 2007 9:26 PM
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: = [lojban-beginners] Re: la

On 6/19/07, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> > How does {boi} differ from the hyphen {.}?
>
> Not sure what you mean, {.} is not a hyphen.

The {.} works as hyphenation between words, right? {la djak.kenedis.}... = if it isn't that {djak} and {kenedis} are hyphenated with {.}, what is it? Are {jan.pol} and {levin.stros} for the hyphenated names = "Jean-Paul" and "L=E9vi-Strauss" wrong, then?

mu'o mi'e vid

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