From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 19 11:31:05 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0iTo-0000Un-Fh for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:31:04 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.244]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0iTk-0000U9-Pr for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:31:04 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so510941ana for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:30:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ig1IrKfXrTF0xadX8yaHvRdVOsIrb2+8LZZivWnYaIHscAtfYzCC2M7jK+Icw8HBCm/qtDJPLR3PcvkKkM/2K8ZzM4bTkSpDpeP39ZxMJkcEZYzaaMaGsG4dVOkVg+hrDXYrhGb3bS31aJlZmLEHy2hN6mmoFuMBieSKy3kFDH8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MGrKWd30US4BnFsGJSGE7XAjczHUWj8Ou8y2qtPAxtSgHi76kvuqz089phRv5sJEZdxo0f6JsNs7gRm/zJFwbGNUYyccqQjWCC0zorq4t31b6GgUwZP5RE+p7xPOB5PeZX8Cyh9fI7/qHaaoL30CJa3DWwmGSewovAufTGmfWAs= Received: by 10.100.8.18 with SMTP id 18mr745328anh.1182277857620; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706191130t1f395af9xe40eb1d2e688559d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:30:57 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: consonant doubling? In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0706190836o1de01a4dk40d0ad23d3fd2e6a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1182179984.4676a290aa1b5@ssl0.ovh.net> <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7DCE@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> <925d17560706180835w6b83c04fl2a2b6eb61f45c3ce@mail.gmail.com> <1182187693.4676c0add509b@ssl0.ovh.net> <2f91285f0706181331k6fcdc0d2vd969ceba51b7aad7@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560706181340y5b36de4en3bcded6701b05ef6@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0706181750p455da9a5x88535a22db2dd8a5@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560706181832u7135adefp6d4d2ef54f7f33a6@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0706190836o1de01a4dk40d0ad23d3fd2e6a@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5061 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/19/07, Vid Sintef wrote: > > That's why I've come to think the phonology of Lojban is relatively simple. I agree it is simpler than that of some other languages. It is also more complex than that of some other languages. If phonologic simplicity had been a strong design goal, the phonology could have been made much simpler. Obviously it was not designed to be complex for complexity's sake either, it just turns out to be more complex than it could have been. > In what aspect can the fricatives and > consonant clusters in Lojban be said to be abundant? In that they are more numerous than what occur in other languages. (For example Spanish has fewer fricatives, Japanese has almost no consonant clusters.) > In other words, Esperanto is linguistically less open and more > ideology-/culture-specific. Its grammar is essentially > particular/non-optional over e.g. masculine/feminine/epicene, > singular/plural, active/passive, etc. This has shifted away from phonology to other aspects. I certainly agree that Esperanto is more European than Lojban when it comes to grammar and vocabulary. But phonology-wise, Esperanto and Lojban are pretty much the same (I would call it a central European type of phonology). mu'o mi'e xorxes