From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 20 23:48:58 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1GTS-00013j-6Z for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:48:58 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.176]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1GTP-000137-0P for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:48:57 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so918407pyb for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:48:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=P/BoN5PUXG3Us8dfv8urRLXJftPE0ujtgFf/docn1zxZKWP6gM57QUmv6HHNr1o8K9SWNMgocs+ommUl73ArpykyhpPKSbP3F6ORIizcpzCOW7g7kO1rcdcdfyBUFO1TwfUqRp91dm/+FESR3hje8oKLKGZAqtDuqD5Bsn2/aEA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=b3eFpzvvT66XzaJ+uq0lvIFjTrQoN+TEMOI+J/ywjjlS9nVoIeoHvu3KCmIb4QnHyArduo09f7G8NL/IwWehYKl/ZrAXPvxRWq+rUZpvizmoD97o5yB5xFqkPuvpFsSMUcq0oHEtHLAlesyKLmU6kFYbnyEOdhU8InnmKsxqekM= Received: by 10.65.98.12 with SMTP id a12mr2960294qbm.1182408528381; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.191.16 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <702226df0706202348g72b656f4o5b63ffce40a4911b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:48:48 -0600 From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nice to meet you In-Reply-To: <23dc8c770706151529x7cb3adb2xfcc3854f78bb4304@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_91519_19234715.1182408528227" References: <1181846668.46718c8cd54da@ssl0.ovh.net> <1181880906.4672124ad3e2b@ssl0.ovh.net> <06F3B71D-34DC-45E5-9124-EF5C7B36DE19@umich.edu> <1181925981.4672c25d55fb3@ssl0.ovh.net> <23dc8c770706151001o30b61e51u22024d1b34c62096@mail.gmail.com> <1181933212.4672de9ccc88e@ssl0.ovh.net> <925d17560706151247t7a1769aauf85e98e44e4e9c41@mail.gmail.com> <1181939823.4672f86fe812b@ssl0.ovh.net> <23dc8c770706151529x7cb3adb2xfcc3854f78bb4304@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5080 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_91519_19234715.1182408528227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/15/07, Karl Naylor wrote: > > On 15/06/07, james riley wrote: > > > > What about names? Doesn't the stress rule > > > (stress last but one syllable) apply to them as > > > well?? > > I have seen people capitalise the syllables they want stressing in a > name > > whenever it would go against the normal rules. > > Indeed. Cmevla can be stressed however the speaker/writer wants; in > writing you indicate non-standard stress by capitalising the > appropriate syllable(s). Lack of capitalisation indicates the usual > penultimate stress. The following are precisely equal in meaning: .uicoimi'e.djAnatan..iminelcitavlado .ui coi mi'e djAnatan. .i mi nelci tavla do interestingly enough, jbofihe couldn't parse the former: it didn't catch {nelcitavlado} as {nelci tavla do}, which provides a fairly good reason ton keep the spaces (which are completely optional) in written Lojban, other than the obvious reason- making it easier to read. doi xorxes- You say that a space is required after brivla? I was under the impression that they were always optional, after the wonderful conversation with thEgUywhOinsIstedOnwrItinglIkethIs. -- mu'o mi'e .topy'at. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu ------=_Part_91519_19234715.1182408528227 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/15/07, Karl Naylor <karl.org@gmail.com> wrote:
On 15/06/07, james riley <jimr1603@gmail.com> wrote:

> > What about names? Doesn't the stress rule
> > (stress last but one syllable) apply to them as
> > well??
> I have seen people capitalise the syllables they want stressing in a name
> whenever it would go against the normal rules.

Indeed.  Cmevla can be stressed however the speaker/writer wants; in
writing you indicate non-standard stress by capitalising the
appropriate syllable(s).  Lack of capitalisation indicates the usual
penultimate stress.

The following are precisely equal in meaning:

.uicoimi'e.djAnatan..iminelcitavlado

.ui coi mi'e djAnatan. .i mi nelci tavla do

interestingly enough, jbofihe couldn't parse the former: it didn't catch {nelcitavlado} as {nelci tavla do}, which provides a fairly good reason ton keep the spaces (which are completely optional) in written Lojban, other than the obvious reason- making it easier to read.

doi xorxes- You say that a space is required after brivla? I was under the impression that they were always optional, after the wonderful conversation with thEgUywhOinsIstedOnwrItinglIkethIs.

--
mu'o mi'e .topy'at.

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