From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jun 21 04:23:32 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1Kku-0007yl-2o for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:23:20 -0700 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1KkJ-0007y9-PK for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:23:02 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-626558 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:22:26 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007062107222615902 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:22:26 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:22:26 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: non-bridi grammar? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:22:26 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7DEB@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <1182368495.467982efaf472@ssl0.ovh.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: non-bridi grammar? Thread-Index: Acezc3mWCyKdW35VSIeBJ1kOTlgD5wAgc+4g From: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2007 11:22:26.0947 (UTC) FILETIME=[729B8530:01C7B3F6] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5088 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Discurvises, as such, are discussed in chapter 13 of the reference grammar. Selma'o are listed next to every cmavo in the grammar in the little table in most sections labelled "cmavo discussed in this section", in jbovlaste, and in the cmavo list on the wordlists page (and there is even a cmavo ordered by selma'o list as well). All the selma'o are catalogued in chapter 20 of the reference grammar. Hope this answers your remaining questions on the matter, --gejyspa -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of m.kornig@sondal.net Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:42 PM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: non-bridi grammar? Selon "Turniansky, Michael \\[UNK\\]" : > cmavo of type COI Which type? How can I recognize cmavo of this type? > take a following sumti and the combined phrase > functions grammtically like discursives grammtically like a UI, that is > to say, it can appear basically anywhere in a sentece. For example, the > following is perfectly grammatical: > > le mi gerku coi pat cu blabi => my dog (Hi, Pat!) is white. And how would you know that {pat.} belongs to {coi} and not to {blabi}? > An utterance doesn't have to be a sentence/brivla. For example, if > someone asks: > > ma pa citka ta ("Who ate that?") {pa} is a number meaning "one", isn't it? > A perfectly valid response is "oi sai ro'e le blabi gerku po'e mi" > (grrr... the white dog, which belongs to me), which isn't a brivla, > either, but is an multi-word utterance. Where could I find more about such discursives? Martin