From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jun 21 04:42:01 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1L2y-0008HT-6M for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:41:58 -0700 Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.134.186]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1L2M-0008H7-SI for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:41:35 -0700 Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i10so595479mue for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:41:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tKh0BQvSNrf7hFUf8zEzR4rsb7JxFSk9v/l8kgdOJghhwH5ok+vNoZK1yp+GO6uHQ7k0C8iq68JZv172/d0MVVyT9QU5SqKiBKQChEHb3CDXg4R7nQbmtvAdCcAVRw1zvBHTAdEk/jAYrDWjVvfdqYlpbzDI+c/mLbeZ+AJmtVc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PDHVFwFU9rrFK/Lm5VKK+SfBkIimlFTrekIyd0RBJmAtYqsA7D+e6qN4YXTj2StP9q8DWknSJaSLFIOtxXA4pP//Xkl30Gt3Mc5BajRw3w5lNfeAvL0f8PqiLVBZyOliizdyouBxAoHBXHlUT6DEhHjybsNTIzkvZfJ2MZuB7PM= Received: by 10.82.112.16 with SMTP id k16mr3730457buc.1182426076490; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.134.20 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <23dc8c770706210441g53fd36f4w846e656b8b0d4cda@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:41:16 +0000 From: "Karl Naylor" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nice to meet you In-Reply-To: <702226df0706202348g72b656f4o5b63ffce40a4911b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1181846668.46718c8cd54da@ssl0.ovh.net> <06F3B71D-34DC-45E5-9124-EF5C7B36DE19@umich.edu> <1181925981.4672c25d55fb3@ssl0.ovh.net> <23dc8c770706151001o30b61e51u22024d1b34c62096@mail.gmail.com> <1181933212.4672de9ccc88e@ssl0.ovh.net> <925d17560706151247t7a1769aauf85e98e44e4e9c41@mail.gmail.com> <1181939823.4672f86fe812b@ssl0.ovh.net> <23dc8c770706151529x7cb3adb2xfcc3854f78bb4304@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0706202348g72b656f4o5b63ffce40a4911b@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5091 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: karl.org@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 21/06/07, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: > interestingly enough, jbofihe couldn't parse the former: it didn't catch > {nelcitavlado} as {nelci tavla do}, which provides a fairly good reason ton > keep the spaces (which are completely optional) in written Lojban, other > doi xorxes- You say that a space is required after brivla? I was under the As I understand it, you need either a space after the brivla, or to indicate stress explicitly. {nelcitavlado} is otherwise one long brivla (although I'm not sure it makes any sense interpreted as such; maybe it could be a Stage 4 fu'ivla?) since the consonant pair {lc} marks the word as a brivla, and only a space, a pause or an explicit stress indication can mark the end of the brivla (Chapter 4 Section 3). The default stress rule would apply and so it would be pronounced as {nelcitavLAdo}. To get three words you could write {NElciTAvlado}. Personally I find that style extremely hard on the eyes.