From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jun 21 06:01:55 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1MIH-0001aL-2H for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:01:52 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.249]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1MI8-0001a4-4b for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:01:45 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so143843ana for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:01:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=unOQ/P+K1+cFAC96AqkT3AFPBjBLc13peY2xWQr9l2/q32LKukgT0mrSw5N7mK7OexnYLFp5PDTMyeUtrebSUWJThkm+K3vXhtNNNu8ylhrPLzW58+zuEfbte+2P+jpLhksJIWrcHQPeFjwbjLSSWFtGuaNfBGf8M02Ph9S26P8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IurR5ri1Aa2LMtWouvAQGma9IxnTs2whxuYnQOv3yT3pClXXDvrzZlz4s9UOaEm9qHGjb2tNTom3j22ffXIAuMwjnNNjSWyXqZj2euXzt1An1XMfcnqUI9syTWgowSKfhONcCz5Hz+V8AfkDLQySbV+NT6ZoisKD9TkfakCz1VY= Received: by 10.100.106.5 with SMTP id e5mr1042370anc.1182430898511; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706210601w25824969k25a1a14331260ee5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:01:38 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nice to meet you In-Reply-To: <23dc8c770706210441g53fd36f4w846e656b8b0d4cda@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1181846668.46718c8cd54da@ssl0.ovh.net> <1181925981.4672c25d55fb3@ssl0.ovh.net> <23dc8c770706151001o30b61e51u22024d1b34c62096@mail.gmail.com> <1181933212.4672de9ccc88e@ssl0.ovh.net> <925d17560706151247t7a1769aauf85e98e44e4e9c41@mail.gmail.com> <1181939823.4672f86fe812b@ssl0.ovh.net> <23dc8c770706151529x7cb3adb2xfcc3854f78bb4304@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0706202348g72b656f4o5b63ffce40a4911b@mail.gmail.com> <23dc8c770706210441g53fd36f4w846e656b8b0d4cda@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5095 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/21/07, Karl Naylor wrote: > > As I understand it, you need either a space after the brivla, or to > indicate stress explicitly. Exactly. > {nelcitavlado} is otherwise one long > brivla (although I'm not sure it makes any sense interpreted as such; > maybe it could be a Stage 4 fu'ivla?) since the consonant pair {lc} > marks the word as a brivla, and only a space, a pause or an explicit > stress indication can mark the end of the brivla (Chapter 4 Section > 3). The default stress rule would apply and so it would be pronounced > as {nelcitavLAdo}. Yes. Anything of brivla form that remains after removing gismu and lujvo forms, is a fu'ivla form. (Defining "brivla form" is slightly more complicated than just looking for consonant clusters: you have to remove any leading cmavo forms and exclude "slinku'i"-foms as well.) mu'o mi'e xorxes