From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jun 21 07:56:25 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1O4r-0000rH-Ax for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:56:09 -0700 Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1O4Q-0000qS-1s for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:55:56 -0700 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506A894786 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:55:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l5LEtPEZ012663 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:55:25 +0200 Received: (from arj@localhost) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id l5LEtOBJ012662 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:55:24 +0200 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:55:24 +0200 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Differently-shaped vocal equipment (was: Re: Re: lojban-beginners Digest V6 #97) Message-ID: <20070621145524.GG18057@nvg.org> References: <1181440772.466b5b046ab10@ssl0.ovh.net> <23dc8c770706210515o1a900792oe3e75a18a1176579@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <23dc8c770706210515o1a900792oe3e75a18a1176579@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5096 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 12:15:02PM +0000, Karl Naylor wrote: > It seems to me that the existence of pronunciation "ranges" > corresponding to letters is more accomodating for speakers of > different racial backgrounds, who therefore have differently-shaped > vocal equipment and may find some options easier to pronounce than > others. You are right that the pronunciation ranges are there to help p�eople with different linguistic backgrounds, but race does not enter into the picture. Racial differences in vocal tract shape and size are dwarfed in comparison to individual differences. ( http://www.ohiolink.edu/etd/view.cgi?acc_num=ohiou1050668842 ) Except for abnormal conditions such as a cleft palate, everyone is equally capable, physically, of producing any speech sound. -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ Vacuum cleaners suck. Kings rule. Ice is cool.