From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jun 21 09:33:05 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1Pai-0003YI-Vy for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:33:05 -0700 Received: from mclmx2.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.32] ident=[U2FsdGVkX18Y2i8rc5E9AjOdZYFcHM+xaqEV6Ybk5zo=]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1Pag-0003Y9-8e for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:33:04 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx2.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-755554 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:32:51 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007062112325108215 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:32:51 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:32:52 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Differently-shaped vocal equipment (was: Re: Re: lojban-beginners Digest V6 #97) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:32:51 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7DFA@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <23dc8c770706210924i4f2713c7i49c9ce0c1f0ab01b@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: Differently-shaped vocal equipment (was: Re: Re: lojban-beginners Digest V6 #97) Thread-Index: Ace0IPQpCdf2FOblR2SkTmMubeLxuAAAERQQ From: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2007 16:32:52.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0097670:01C7B421] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5100 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Actually, lojban does have a "th" sound. It's one valid pronounciation of the y'y ('), because the "h" sound as martin points out, doesn't exist in many languages, like French, Spanish, and Russian. "th" does exist in at least Spanish and Russian (at least in borrowed words for the latter. Not sure if it exists in native words), some Sepharidic Hebrew dialects, and Greek. I don't know if it occurs in French, although I think not. --gejyspa -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Karl Naylor Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:24 PM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Differently-shaped vocal equipment (was: Re: Re: lojban-beginners Digest V6 #97) I appreciate the information. I recall reading that the reason Lojban has no "th" phoneme is that the majority of the world's population cannot produce it; is this due to conditioning too, then?