From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jun 21 10:09:56 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1QAN-0004Ne-Fc for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:09:55 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I1QAJ-0004NU-Pv for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:09:55 -0700 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CC8CE741 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:09:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Differently-shaped vocal equipment Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:09:44 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7DFA@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7DFA@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706211309.44909.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 2 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5101 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thursday 21 June 2007 12:32, Turniansky, Michael [UNK] wrote: > Actually, lojban does have a "th" sound. It's one valid > pronounciation of the y'y ('), because the "h" sound as martin points > out, doesn't exist in many languages, like French, Spanish, and Russian. > "th" does exist in at least Spanish and Russian (at least in borrowed > words for the latter. Not sure if it exists in native words), some > Sepharidic Hebrew dialects, and Greek. I don't know if it occurs in > French, although I think not. "th" exists in Spanish as pronounced in Spain. Other dialects pronounce it the same as "s". It does not exist in French; my father worked on "uretan", and if you heard him say "three free trees", you'd be puzzled for a second. Jerriais, which is spoken not far from where he grew up, does have something written "th", which corresponds to French "r". Pierre