From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jun 23 05:13:06 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I24UD-0002K9-MG for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:13:06 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I24UA-0002Jy-2w for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:13:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 1153 invoked by uid 503); 23 Jun 2007 12:13:21 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 23 Jun 2007 12:13:21 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail24.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 23 Jun 2007 12:13:21 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 23 Jun 2007 12:12:54 -0000 Received: from 127.71-225-89.dsl.completel.net (127.71-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.71.127]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:12:54 +0200 Message-ID: <1182600774.467d0e464e77a@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:12:54 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: Lojban mailing for beginners Subject: [lojban-beginners] vowel length MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.71.127 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 X-Spam-Score-Int: 3 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5116 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Hello everybody, I've finished lesson 1.5 of my online e-learning site http://www.sondal.net/ljb/ and I realize now that the vowels I have recorded so far have very different lengths. Consider the vowel {a} for instance: compare {pa} and {nabil.} on the one hand and {.io,axim.} on the other. And in my recording of {.anjas.} you find both the short and the long version in the same word! Another striking difference: {ci} and {filip.}. Vowel lengths are very important in some languages, e.g. in German. Now I wonder: (1) Is it important in Lojban, too? (2) And even if it were not *very* important, would it be appropiate to habe arbitrarily different vowel lengths on an e-learning site? (3) Maybe all vowels should be relatively short in Lojban? (4) Or at least the vowel of the stressed syllable? (5) Or may be the other way round, i.e. long vowels in the stressed syllable? Martin