From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 24 14:46:15 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I2ZuQ-0002FR-Gv for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:46:15 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.247]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I2ZuN-0002FK-98 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:46:14 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so341561ana for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:46:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kDj/ik4/XZMiwfFA8KOndJ52krV0wT/X8115x19Eo28loqiadEuJ42CPRFLmz2TYr0VZdOIXycvr1txIyyF7dCB+HBKk0ChJjQFfgLXTizh8jqu1OjgScEQOcTFVyDMwgQq1FMO9se6JnNNBC6yD3KT7/BVsyHq54Bq76kX0Qk0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kNLo4f+yMlTKYiGZY90878Ob0gMH7kX5SYAr5aUsp1NKdaVvowdjKs01fMsec269RrnYiEYD1VJUO7atcbDcl0TLc4PeutECAah19O8VcwGMx63mjxHK6VcMFDqmxrylTplzEYkuWxpAKA8kBpHLbmTeLhZbYyv/TmXEubR1A/A= Received: by 10.100.31.2 with SMTP id e2mr2768620ane.1182721569275; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706241446p31e17ad9t37e1ffaeb71db1c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:46:09 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: More phonology: voiced/unvoiced and fricative/fricative In-Reply-To: <558186.59719.qm@web56407.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <1182708311.467eb257965af@ssl0.ovh.net> <558186.59719.qm@web56407.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5136 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/24/07, Nathaniel Krause wrote: > m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > In my understanding all these words are not {cmevla} because > the period at the end is missing. > Yes, if you look at it like that, those words are illegal because every > Lojban word must end in a vowel or a period ... Every word must end in a vowel or a pause. The period is an optional way to remind the reader that a pause is required, but it is not necessary to write it down because every word that ends in a consonant must be followed by a pause, so there is no ambiguity if you omit the period. > but the equivalent words > plus periods are apparently valid. However, before Xorxes mentioned it, I > had never been aware that Lojban allows vocalic consonants other than {r}, > {l}, and {n}. And {m}. > I wonder if extreme examples such as {ptkts} (a Nuxálk word > mentioned in Wikipedia) would be accepted as avalid cmevla. There's no definite official rule for that yet, but I would say it won't be allowed. A cluster that consist of a single consonant plus a valid initial however (such as "pst") is valid. mu'o mi'e xorxes