From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 25 21:34:20 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I32kt-0005yV-9T for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:34:19 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I32kq-0005y3-OS for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:34:18 -0700 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09465CE921 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:34:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I'm... My name's... Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:34:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <1182798606.4680130e60899@ssl0.ovh.net> In-Reply-To: <1182798606.4680130e60899@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706260034.11084.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 2 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Monday 25 June 2007 15:10, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a difference in meaning between > the two sentences {mi'e tim.} and {tim. > cmene mi}? Are they both correct? Both > used? {tim. cmene mi} is grammatical for no obvious reason; a bare cmene has no clear meaning, and is not allowed immediately after {i}. What you want is {zo .tim. cmene mi}. > Say you are with your friend and want > to give her name as well. I guess this > would be something like {djein. .e tim. > cmene mi}? Can you do this with {mi'e}, > too, maybe straight forward {mi'e djein. > .e tim.}? As {mi} can be plural, yes, but I wouldn't know which of you is which. You need {zo} in the first sentence and {la} in the second (you can't join bare cmene with {e}). > "What's your name?" would be {ma cmene > do}. Again the question: can you ask > about someone's name using {mi'e}, too? If you're asking the person you're speaking to for his name, you can say {doi ma}. Asking for someone else's name, you might say {mi'edai ma}, but I'd rather say {ma cmene ta}. Pierre