From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 26 11:07:18 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I3FRc-0002wi-NY for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:07:17 -0700 Received: from mclmx2.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.32] ident=[U2FsdGVkX191XYPyrEs0Ky+fo0S7zvoL35MLvhWUOos=]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I3FRY-0002wb-Hq for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:07:15 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx2.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-127821 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:07:06 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007062614070608304 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:07:06 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:07:06 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I'm... My name's... Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:07:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7E0E@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7E0D@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: I'm... My name's... Thread-Index: Ace4GpojSpB+dRaPQS+8T+NKhEz94QAALa0AAABJX8AFrom: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2007 18:07:06.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE93B450:01C7B81C] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5151 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Just to clarify my first sentence a bit, the periods are optional to write when you leave a space. Also, I never answered your last sentence. I suppose a beginner is better off writing stuff "fully dotted" for the same reason that beginning Hebrew learners put in all the vowels, while newpapers, adult books, etc, leave them out. Also, more clarification: "la tim." needs only one dot, since there is no pause necessary, but "zo .tim." would be written with two, since the pause is necessary before and after. --gy -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Turniansky, Michael [UNK] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:01 PM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I'm... My name's... Periods are _always_ optional to WRITE, they just indiciate where pauses must be left when the sentence is SPOKEN. cmene must always end with pauses. Words starting with vowels must always be preceeded with pauses. cmene must be preceeded with pauses unless they are following lai, la, or doi (or always, if the so-called "dot side" proposal is adopted). Since tim was preceeded by "zo" here, it _must_ have a pause before it (which one _can_ indicate with a period, but doesn't need to be). --gejyspa -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of m.kornig@sondal.net Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:20 PM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I'm... My name's... Selon Pierre Abbat : > What you want is > {zo .tim. cmene mi}. I'm a bit confused by the use of periods before/after names. Are {zo tim. cmene mi} and {zo tim cmene mi} correct, too? Which spelling should a beginner learn: none, one or two periods? Martin