From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 26 11:16:48 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I3Fap-00038F-Vk for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:16:48 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.246]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I3Fan-00037y-Aw for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:16:47 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so479673ana for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:16:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dd4S2/82FXoi2YAivU3ZrNLhH2cbljNhc764TQped5w24VsdLqd4+SoNM0zHKtpdX236KWogNkBd6VKak9mwFJMC4Fw7WYHBKDCW7yBjzJOaMqo8lAmVqJVJrL0e+e5B5GeIk082eV31wFkgmFfV+HhrZWP8McPENGNouT3tKp4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IYHy9HlPt5LeHqOSDqpTekaasZXfczPRd0/7Sjt7bxrI4Tt3LtuhiuAd/Z1tpl0HeDULHaOit1eCP+jplavdEbLLrFlZeqGX2v0q3H63769ehA78OAv92nv5GJmxlqVVQi7XrsigiZzUsuKJHix2eCdwmVGZnSJ1Owl+3ZfnDJI= Received: by 10.100.190.8 with SMTP id n8mr4019289anf.1182881800924; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706261116u655869e8lc16dade68ff3b07e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:16:40 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I'm... My name's... In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7E0C@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1182879160.46814db8bd985@ssl0.ovh.net> <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7E0C@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5153 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/26/07, Turniansky, Michael [UNK] wrote: > No, he did mean "is grammatical for no obvious reason". Sentences can > start with bare cmene, but what they actually mean when they have them > is not necessarily defined (as I understand it). As far as I know, it was meant to be a vocative (so you could assume an omitted {doi} in front.) This option has never been used much, if at all. mu'o mi'e xorxes