From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 26 12:40:20 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I3Gte-0006hx-QU for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:40:19 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I3GtX-0006gy-Rk for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:40:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 19564 invoked by uid 503); 26 Jun 2007 19:40:29 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 26 Jun 2007 19:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail87.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2007 19:40:29 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2007 19:39:47 -0000 Received: from 36.69-225-89.dsl.completel.net (36.69-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.69.36]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:39:47 +0200 Message-ID: <1182886787.46816b83b525a@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:39:47 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I'm... My name's... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.69.36 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 2 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5154 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Selon "Turniansky, Michael \\[UNK\\]" : > Periods are _always_ optional to WRITE, OK. Should beginners learn to write periods then? Should textbooks contain periods? That's my main consern. I would say: yes, because the written text should be as close as possible to the spoken text. If there must be a pause in the spoken text and you can indicate this in writing then you should do it. Don't you agree? Reading the text aloud would be easier then for beginners? > they just indiciate where > pauses must be left when the sentence is SPOKEN. If someone asks you {ma cmene do} and you just reply {tim}, i.e. an isolated word, not a complete sentence, there would be no need for periods in the written text then because pauses before and after your name are pretty obvious? Also, I wonder whether or not periods can be considered to be PART of the name. For instance if you sign a letter or fill in a form you would probably not write any periods around your name, would you? Or if a document lists names (one name per line) periods around these names would make no sense either, would they? And what about dictionaries? Would it make sense to have periods in front of keywords starting with a vowel? Maybe not, because there again pauses are pretty obvious since you ususally start a new line (or even a new paragraph) for each keyword. Martin