From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 27 17:25:06 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I3hon-0004V6-VV for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:25:06 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.249]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I3hok-0004Uf-3S for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:25:05 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so97687ana for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:25:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SC7R7FKRY4LwmeK3n0g6qo0cOZTA/RNGZNPAKBieWszzzGGXAQP9IA418p/Zqg/sWrLVnr+oMciu+4Bo/OA3O3YTSTEkz/Vcjp7HnIbteJbl9Uaax5yhr+Vz4XcwhLKK3qQdlIhkGLT7hifJsL+31kZmILFDXz1KgWYXstpUwrA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ISV6quv99uoEg62Qo3pYLiF1o1CjWbQrqiVytYWm4WzESvuGuWVXutaicu0gM/AX18QS6Yibqd6cq1grRLgUYGvhLKFqPENqucvgplzWCUJ4nBhtKTHSnvPcD8S41PsdxsNwxqP8Scj9ZoZIzvbzY8bvqp63eHywKowtACONOMs= Received: by 10.100.128.8 with SMTP id a8mr794441and.1182990300537; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706271725o3f35687dvfb534e440fcb7796@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:25:00 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I'm... My name's... In-Reply-To: <1182972283.4682b97b1df16@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7E12@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> <1182972283.4682b97b1df16@ssl0.ovh.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/27/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > Maybe a summary is useful here. I've learned > the following: > > "What's your name?" > {ma cmene do} or {doi ma} {doi ma} is more like "who am I talking to?" > "I'm Tim." or "My name's Tim." > {zo tim cmene mi} or {mi'e tim} {mi'e tim} is more like "Tim speaking" (or writing). "I'm Tim" would be more like {mi me la tim}. "I'm Tim" is about the person Tim (= la tim) "My name's 'Tim'" is about the word 'Tim' (= zo tim) > "Your are Jane." or "Your name is Jane." > {zo djein cmene do} {doi djein} {doi djein} means "O Jane", or in more normal English, just "Jane", as in "Jane, this is the book I wanted to show you". > "What's his name?" or "What's her name?" (pointing at someone) > {ma cmene ta} If ta is next to the listener, yes. If he/she is away from both speaker and listener, it would be {ma cmene tu}. If he/she is closer to the speaker than to the listener, it would be {ma cmene ti}. > "What's my name?" > {ma cmene mi} or {mi'e ma} {mi'e ma} could be used for example when you put your hands over someone's eyes and ask "guess who". The answer to {ma cmene mi} has to refer to a word. The answer to {mi'e ma} has to refer to a person. > "I'm Tim and this is Jane." (pointing at Jane) > {zo tim cmene mi i zo djein cmene ti} or {mi'e tim i zo djein cmene ti} The English would correspond closer to {mi me la tim .i ti me la djein}. > Could an experienced Lojban speaker please > check/confirm? je'e mi'e xorxes