From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jul 13 22:24:24 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I9a7C-0006Bv-Ae for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:24:23 -0700 Received: from web56410.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([216.252.111.89]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I9a71-0006Bk-NA for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:24:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 76421 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2007 05:24:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XRLNYa7SOKq2QfyS57ZmFADpjAEojDe2YcXUFdHSuOMknqpb5vAunXCl55ikv6FehUkwXQ8WRpqO7RllWqSqOYerZuI5rC/ztbpV1MxLQt+k+bUSLrOcAezs3LMYuwtXkUSfdYi3wosr4QWF9y67FTLxEbRgTsvJ9j3J1sVAYcY=; X-YMail-OSG: x2.apX0VM1nnpqZQ6dVo3.gwVs9_gbdRVhULBsIueMs2ppRkzIISZ76YnuoS1SuZXR.Y.kk6s206ZwIM_I3qHow8Sst4UgdXTL7I8jKTmyoG4FwgBszTk7PCr.zf3oUlgTH6xWqwSGY_zGn4JsFxuypS Received: from [76.217.67.156] by web56410.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:24:05 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:24:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathaniel Krause Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: double letters To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <200707131845.34291.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-346020624-1184390645=:76098" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <136408.76098.qm@web56410.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5203 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nathanielkrause@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-346020624-1184390645=:76098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit {stagrleoxari} and {spatrleoxari} ... {koendu} The "oe" seems likely to be confused with "oue". While it's non-obvious that the latter is legal, it seems the more plausible of the two. As for {ctiipyrias}, I don't see anything illegal about it, but ... there seems to be an urge among Lojbanists to push the limits of the language's phonotactics. Why? Let's all go easy on our future fellow pronouncers, please. mu'o mi'e .sen. Pierre Abbat wrote: On Friday 13 July 2007 14:29, Jorge Llambías wrote: > {uu} and {ii} are the only official words that contain double vowels, > although the first of the pair can really be considered a semi-vowel > or a semi-consonant. Those two pairs would be allowed in cmevla > and fu'ivla too, although I don't remember any actual cases of usage. I've seen the word for Albania spelled {ctiipyrias} or something like that. > The status of aa, ee, and oo is not as yet settled. At least > one proposal would not allow them, together with any other > nucleus-nucleus clash such as ae, ao, ea, eo, oa, oe. I consider all such pairs to be valid, and have coined a few words with them, such as {stagrleoxari} and {spatrleoxari} "water chestnut" and {koendu} "coendou" (a kind of porcupine). phma --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --0-346020624-1184390645=:76098 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit {stagrleoxari} and {spatrleoxari} ... {koendu}

The "oe" seems likely to be confused with "oue". While it's non-obvious that the latter is legal, it seems the more plausible of the two.

As for {ctiipyrias}, I don't see anything illegal about it, but ... there seems to be an urge among Lojbanists to push the limits of the language's phonotactics. Why? Let's all go easy on our future fellow pronouncers, please.

mu'o mi'e .sen.

Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Friday 13 July 2007 14:29, Jorge Llambías wrote:
> {uu} and {ii} are the only official words that contain double vowels,
> although the first of the pair can really be considered a semi-vowel
> or a semi-consonant. Those two pairs would be allowed in cmevla
> and fu'ivla too, although I don't remember any actual cases of usage.

I've seen the word for Albania spelled {ctiipyrias} or something like that.

> The status of aa, ee, and oo is not as yet settled. At least
> one proposal would not allow them, together with any other
> nucleus-nucleus clash such as ae, ao, ea, eo, oa, oe.

I consider all such pairs to be valid, and have coined a few words with them,
such as {stagrleoxari} and {spatrleoxari} "water chestnut" and
{koendu} "coendou" (a kind of porcupine).

phma

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