From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jul 16 11:37:13 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IAVRZ-00021k-6K for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:37:13 -0700 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IAVRW-00021c-LG for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:37:12 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-2153112 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:36:53 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007071614365322091 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:36:53 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:36:53 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: double letters Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:36:52 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7E98@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <1184607994.469baefa9f502@ssl0.ovh.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: double letters Thread-Index: AcfH2BCYR5NJbn2lSniMnQPzlFQorgAABWew From: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2007 18:36:53.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[4793CB40:01C7C7D8] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5221 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners It's because these vowels are acting as semi-consononants ("w" and "y" in English) in that position. --gejyspa -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of m.kornig@sondal.net Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:47 PM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: double letters Selon Jorge Llambías : > On 7/16/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > Selon Jorge Llambías : > > > > > > There are exactly 10 valid nuclei: a, e, i, o, u, ai, au, ei, oi, y. > > > > Jorge, you seem to have missed out a number of diphthongs. > > At least the following: ia, ie, io, iu, ua, ue, ui, ua. Actually > > all eight are cmavo! > > It is possible to count rising diphthongs as nuclei, but then the > rules become more complicated, because then you have to say which > onsets are allowed to go with which nuclei. I find it more parsimonius > to treat the i/u in rising diphthongs as part of the onset. Okay. But then you have onsets which are vowels and not consonants. I find this a bit confusing... Martin