From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jul 18 06:15:23 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IB9NC-0007OU-6X for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:15:23 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.241]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IB9N9-0007OF-Ig for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:15:21 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so40477ana for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:15:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pXro/lzRqFUeZihwJ0CmNoV2EeNqGaW+F9txU/koEQJSZYLGhqIwLlAUbW1vJWnnQDMZLWlZ3pVyqOLVgp1paaSQuS86FDTqnIlehO/xoWCtdcjQl31Zl16wSdk9PmSyJTjaq7NgiKaHNXf+ZKpnFZvtD5me9zog+VOexsh2B+I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZD5/SQgHcoQ3pPfg0MvU5JNTM5oiPuqwC/krf+4fPYXcPMDZmrpWFlNyUTDjhILzV6Z+6Zjzvc5TTcam52lTy6qX5kqgEJq5pu0UIfZaBeCelEa2EH/j7vIrUPjK+TyMwFmyMxzV6K0kOrcErGQ6JpDQTRHrU9IXfubjw4szhPk= Received: by 10.100.127.1 with SMTP id z1mr936460anc.1184764512362; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560707180615k1829e58qbbbd00bbe590ea52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:15:12 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: double letters In-Reply-To: <200707180802.40007.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <200707131845.34291.phma@phma.optus.nu> <200707170855.22834.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17560707170709s80c5531x225e24070ebc8182@mail.gmail.com> <200707180802.40007.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5232 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 7/18/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 17 July 2007 10:09, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > That would give a list of infinite valid onsets. Again, one can restrict it > > by common sense, but I prefer a concrete rule because common sense > > for these things is too dependent on one's linguistic background. > > (You don't really need the additional "ntc" restriction there because "nt" > > is not a valid initial.) > > A syllable can end with "n", in which case the following syllable cannot begin > with "nt". No syllable can ever begin with "nt", because "nt" is not a valid initial. What I meant was that if your rule is "an onset can be any string of consonants each pair of which is a valid initial pair", then you allow syllables such as "tctctctctc.....tctctca" because each pair is a valid initial pair. My rule excludes tc, ts, dj and dz from participating in any further clusters. > > {xios,kia,mo}, purely as a string of syllables, would be allowed in my > > scheme, while {skia,mo} wouldn't. > > > > (The morphological issues concerning tosmabru and slinku'i, that involve > > rafsi, have to be considered separately.) > > The problem with {xioskiamo} is whether {xio} breaks off, even though there > are no actual cmavo of the form "CiV" or "CuV". I say it does, and consider > {xioskiamo} invalid. vlatai considers it valid. {xio} would break off only if {skiamo} was a valid word, but since {skiamo} is not a valid word, it doesn't. Similarly {xioslinku'i} is valid because {slinku'i} is not valid, and {xioski} is valid because {ski} is not a valid word. mu'o mi'e xorxes