From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jul 20 06:00:36 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IBs5x-0005k0-Bj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:00:35 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.251]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IBs5t-0005jj-Bf for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:00:32 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so193656ana for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:00:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=I2vO37CXzBoUdF9ngNqEH+7yKp+935WFtpw8u+w+1sIWizb3rxFjZlotiM4nhuRkcf3dUzS8S+pC6acuF6cgi6IX7ZlgVSmK9vRDYGWP3JmC8K5Jf/amonfh6aJ+sKVSkZnderQwa+0rMSgC7op+506/bqi9X7ScJYG7mpZ28CM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bkhv2HzK2CDolUmVyTW7pCUTDX559zVOMOVVgbSrS6EHTIWUtwcx/YLJ3ON05JnfkSWjcrHoU+B/Ebp4Mr9YEybuymLQt7VZ6r7bRGoxN8mXDtoqc8tGDT48hUE4mlyfvx/WajB4dcuW8KtIUeWKFX+C1FA0TMmrXK9xaLTKfEc= Received: by 10.100.9.19 with SMTP id 19mr204059ani.1184936427645; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560707200600o73482778k620e5dd35a4a984e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:00:27 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: quoting several words? In-Reply-To: <1184918820.46a06d247acb9@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1184918820.46a06d247acb9@ssl0.ovh.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5251 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 7/20/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > I know the word {zo} for a one-word quote, e.g. > {zo maik cmene mi} "I'm Mike" or > {zo rut cmene ti} "This is Ruth". > > How do you say "I'm Mike Miller." or > "This is Mrs Brown."? The general way to quote a string of Lojban words is {lo'u ... le'u}. The words quoted that way need not form a grammatical utterance. To quote a grammatical utterance, use {lu ... li'u}, where you expect the listener to interpret the meaning of what is quoted, so it's not just the words as words that matter. In the case of cmene, {lo'u .. le'u} makes more sense, because you are interested in the words. {maik milr} also happens to be a grammatical utterance, but it's really a vocative, not a way of referring to the words. But {cmene} is probably not the best choice for introducing yourself or someone else. I'd go with {mi'e ...}, {ti me ...} mu'o mi'e xorxes