From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jul 30 11:55:58 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IFaPN-00088Z-Pg for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:55:58 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.233]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IFaPK-00088S-Qv for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:55:57 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1305390wxd for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:55:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CPxUonKDFmElX8BlTqji/HkqIsWiCwBiDc/ODOw22ZEh84q2nKQDnqmg6hVS88+Jt9VhtKh5r0DyJIZCk5RZdq9p+3oBl6taBmzB068W3cJegepGrimY+nuhhocTuddWBiIBjVTs1LYXM/ShErFTF4fRitXHCcCGvhbYazU5tRk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LKI4mVBxca3gAjHSZs/13lLajFmelVlLtqtid/s60QKL6OteKIvob5RAMi6dphkatCe4P1iOUdM34+E38BAf2B3w1xINEDHlcmAV0ma6gGcKz7jhIKjYTHotCCrmGkmYrMocqGbv9czet6wTgJmUnham94r3PQF27g9SpBw2KqY= Received: by 10.70.61.3 with SMTP id j3mr10467182wxa.1185821753334; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.38.7 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0707301155x248cfe68w9e88b4a5d9aff4ce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:55:53 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Firefox Add-on: Lojban Popup Dictionary In-Reply-To: <1185712338.46ac88d24f207@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0707281957s4cda109ep1666a9ea43b683a0@mail.gmail.com> <1185712338.46ac88d24f207@ssl0.ovh.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5272 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 7/29/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > You would need to > provide a Lojban-English dictionary (probably in form > of a data base) to start with. I don't even know whether > such a dictionary/data base exists... I don't see the reason why you don't know whether a Lojban-English dictionary in form of a database exists or not. The number of them on the internet isn't terribly small; there are many vlaste. Lojban.org is already providing us with them in the Excel format, for instance. Matt has made a cool one for us too. What exactly do you mean by "a dictionary/database"? > The gismu list I know of has a lot strange English > phrasings in it and would not be very helpful, I'm afraid. Those English phrasings are not meant to primarily confuse us, but rather to clarify the facts about the place structures. I've been using it for about 5 months now, and I've got a certain knack to be "intuitive" over those phrasings, appropriately abstracting what you can see as a seemingly complex string of words. (Such an ability of flexible abstraction is, I think, vital in every learning of a language. Having recourse to the gismu list does not mean you are a hidebound, inelastic learner of the language.) I'd like to examine your opinion. Let's take these as examples: {vipsi} x1 is a deputy/vice/subordinate in aspect [or organization principle] x2 (ka) to principal x3 {juryri'a} x1 = rinka1 (cause), x2 = junri1 (serious), x3 = junri2 (subject), x4 = rinka3 (causation conditions) If these phrasings are unhelpful as you said, what is the helpful option you have in mind for elaborating these definitions of {vipsi} and {juryri'a}? > The existing Add-Ons are probably provided by the FireFox company (if > this exists?). I doubt that they would bother about a > clear minority language such as Lojban. My intention was basically to find out if there in the Lojban community is somebody who have both the knowledge of JavaScript and spare time. Obviously FireFox is an open source; if we want to produce our own add-on, we don't really have to ask the Mozzila Foundation to do the job, since our programmer, if any, should be able to see how the browser is built up and how the add-on in question should be set in. If there's nobody, still we may have chances to ask some programming enthusiasts outside the community.