From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 31 05:47:03 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IFr7u-0002K1-G1 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:47:03 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.238]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IFr7p-0002Jg-O6 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:47:02 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 36so160292wra for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:46:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CfEtxrDLlAif1o5l7OffEKhiQJMMx9EFTlFefit+hNlJPQaexil16sJJssT2/WPPdy4iaB6CmTvyVmqFB4DKKHS2ZSFEIDUOB3L1nr/4v1kvkJ68Purn0tFcFfGXXqkqpzJKy1Nu/yO9kabluQs6mK0ENx68l3HVpTPfumeSEXI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CAXOoxDbUWgLM5U1r20+VU828K96VMVgQjvYm09zOQLxnJPiNIJNkfuWjK4LtauXSCqWg2wxarMix86kZOlY+HaZ6LGH+af+umYcsLT3n9USCXtSYw6OYM00TWL49ulNXPDlx8tt4K/xmuSJi4TNMmoXxm8QjnWesFE+Mownjho= Received: by 10.100.12.18 with SMTP id 18mr5245422anl.1185885603498; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560707310540j7e97ce80g7f3eda3989af7978@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:40:03 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lujvo and Fu'ivla In-Reply-To: <200707310051.59542.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200707310051.59542.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5279 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 7/31/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday 30 July 2007 21:05, Velaki@aol.com wrote: > > Is it possible to absorb a fu'ivla into a lujvo? > > Yes, according to the proposals for making fu'ivla rafsi (mine and Jorge's > differ somewhat, and the details aren't settled yet). And there's always {zei} as a last resort. > A few examples using my proposal: I give also my proposed forms: > cange (barn) + glauka (owl) = cagyglauka. cagyglauka > me'andi (henna) + skari (color) = me'andyska. me'andi'yska > skalduna (Basque) + ninmu (woman) = can't do that, skalduna has no rafsi. {mi > skaldunyni'u} is one word, {miskaldunyni'u}, meaning something like "woman > whose eyes are equal to famous". skalduna'yni'u > malgaci (Malagasy) + smani (monkey) != malgacysmani, that's mabla + gapci + > smani. So {malgaci} has no rafsi. malgaci'ysmani > mikri (micro) + enri (henry) = miky'enri (this wasn't my idea but I agree with > it). miky'enri > gurnrtefi (teff) + nanba (bread) = gurnrtefynanba. The y-hyphen is required > even though it is not in lujvo made from gismu such as {kafnanba}. gurnrtefi'ynanba The advantage of Pierre's proposal is that it sometimes saves a syllable, the advantage of mine is that it works for all fu'ivla. The two proposals are compatible with one another, so we could in this case have our cake and eat it too if we want. mu'o mi'e xorxes