From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 02 11:24:26 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IGfLV-0005vO-0d for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:24:26 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.228]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IGfLR-0005vD-Eh for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:24:24 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so452094wxd for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:24:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TjLnf/5qM/U0rTDzz4MNeMlY2sRLNopjQIghWfZI6snDQ2+yS4AUxUflP3ZG2d3XF0uNl6qjgvUJiT5mkoB1hwGv8sm5GUni8k+D1bL9w+2QMi64dQDEGJFGfbgnOk23gXrygXydkrc91N2HoDPTiILnOUPfRlpIw22z+6e2JeU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DdJ3JDa66NgKqMTaOwSC8f4FizpH/ybrtPi3dn14L9x6vAc7RGSp6xs/3wt+FfyGgNn4lhDfd/GjgSsAw7dmUTScdat40cHfLcWX672Vt/VAvw2r2tMfZ9RF554/ZXyRQVlCjjvX8qbtGd0eSkIDWk7u/tPOa3RNB1pqIw5cyv0= Received: by 10.70.52.1 with SMTP id z1mr3604110wxz.1186079058453; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.38.7 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0708021124l3e5a53fs52b324da9e0fca48@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:24:18 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Propositional vs. predicate was: Firefox Add-on In-Reply-To: <200708020100.03727.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1185834413.46ae65add169c@ssl0.ovh.net> <2f91285f0707310810l32b77e7ao5062ff143cd7c028@mail.gmail.com> <200708020100.03727.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5284 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/2/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > Propositional logic doesn't say anything about predicates and their arguments. > How does being based on propositional logic result in natlangs having > accusative or ergative alignment instead of numbered place structures? Natlangs typically relies on propositional logic *as well as* other forms of logic by which that kind of alignments are realized. I'm not an expert logican or linguist but I do understand that such propositional expressions as "A is B" is prevalent in natlangs while numbered place structures are not. So at least I've been tempted to think natlangs commonly share the logic of proposition as one of their basic components. Please fix my bug if any. Vid