From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Aug 04 16:30:07 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IHT4Q-0002dT-UI for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:30:07 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.245]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IHT4M-0002dI-VJ for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:30:06 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so210960ana for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:30:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QVHBfMTkD+CYKbHcu5GhbMGPyB7z2gatceyW4YudhItBOZOSPsk6MYLW98MsOywv2RgxJSDJGH9OroEGS5aU80j2y+hilviIM6TllTMw6RZJ5Pzxs4ou70Ty3eDV5F/RGAQIlMCAreSU9eU2FGqJ76VjG6nQyoD0vGNwMgjrj6E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fWQ7B0dWg9uxGYWwoW0LzWZl3wEA8+ekCflgQRBt1qz9HMiZ8rBjuGaFE3qPh2BSHxvkoDxBh5XVl+KC/MbCDJ24x8XFM5/IRk7ZAOBdrTrezO43dwBlmdkumwjdNAQyx7UMSBcMaUYrGrN3o3tO+ueyk/cN77LP3Z6buCj88gI= Received: by 10.100.190.8 with SMTP id n8mr2446299anf.1186270200832; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 16:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560708041630r79dadb40o43853a3886cdf4ce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:30:00 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojsk and Voksigid In-Reply-To: <20070804192147.GP26253@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0708021233j69d1e88as18ebea1330d4457b@mail.gmail.com> <20070804192147.GP26253@digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5297 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/4/07, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > http://www.netgotham.com/lojsk > > I've never heard of this either. It seems vaguely interesting. I > definately like the idea of single-syllable words. The really > serious problem is that Lojsk is going to be even more sensitive to > noisy environments than Lojban is, if that's possible. The n/6 > distinction seems ill-advised, to start with. What's worse is that they seem to have a philosophical language type of vocabulary, at least for some words, where words with similar meanings sound very similar. They went berzerk with the "spacial" and "temporal" words. > I note that eir solution to cmene is broken: > http://www.netgotham.com/lojsk_cmen.html. Ey can't have cmen with > cm_ or tlan in them, but ey doesn't seem to have noticed this. It seems what they can't have is .ii, but cm_ and tlan seem to be ok. It is not clear whether they allow pauses in the middle of a cmen If they don't they are ok. But they do need to tell "rifs fas" apart from "rif sfas" for example, so I don't know that they can really claim self segregating morphology unless they expect pauses between every pair of words. mu'o mi'e xorxes