From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 06 19:52:49 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IIFBg-00039a-OX for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:52:49 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IIFBd-00039T-RF for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:52:48 -0700 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F23CE723 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:52:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: The Prophet Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:52:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <2f91285f0708061616s75cbc972p934abc12312313ef@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0708061616s75cbc972p934abc12312313ef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708062252.37364.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5302 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Monday 06 August 2007 19:16, Vid Sintef wrote: > mi'e vid > > Again a sentence from The Prophet: > > .i so'i se djedi nu mi lo cortu gi'e lemi ka sepli cu nicte go'i gi'e > ma kakne cliva le ko'a cortu .e le ko'a ka sepli secau lo xenru This doesn't parse. {so'i} counts {se djedi nu mi lo cortu ...}. {se djedi} is a seltau, {nu ...} is a tertau. {mi lo cortu ...} is an abstractand, and ought to be a complete bridi. {lo cortu ...} is the second sumti of the abstractand. {cortu gi'e ...} is a selbri which {lo} turns into a sumti. {cortu gi'e le} is ungrammatical. {gi'e} joins two bridi-tails, and a bridi-tail cannot begin with {le}. > (Long were the days of pain I have spent within its walls, and long > were the nights of aloneness; and who can depart from his pain and his > aloneness without regret?) {so'i se djedi} doesn't mean "long were the days". It means "many different lengths of time intervals, each of which is measured in days". {lemi ka sepli cu nicte go'i} means "My separateness is a nighttime ". I'm not even sure I could figure out what the previous sentence was if I had the context, as what we have doesn't parse. {ma kakne cliva} probably should be {ma ka'e cliva}, but as it's preceded by another messed-up {gi'e}, I'm not sure. {secau lo xenru} should be {secau lo nu xenru}. > Where is the "I have spent within its walls"? Nowhere that I can see. > Neither I'm clear about the sequence {nu mi lo cortu}. A sentence can begin with {nu mi lo cortu}, but here it's an error, perhaps for {lo nu mi cortu}. Pierre