From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 07 09:20:41 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IIRnU-0003qo-Dn for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:20:40 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.186]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IIRnR-0003qY-34 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:20:40 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so415969nfv for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:20:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i+yrOadbi75NA1aHYku6eqsHBBQ9fTmgSeXWPO5a6z1XBVdUTLjypJA71K4kk2YUQSTWKj0OzupxI3QO0VB64/4ADJKzBR2KG1K6B8qbKAi+ElcPcOpaPbM+fDFl4OiBp//4YoXTVIkQJxfiima5URniMDbMeH9B4c/9+n2HZzc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MDrsWR4W1VRSgKz9/8t8rwzr+dzr73kNlq7vUhtUtmH/BfP/Wvly/J0IupbR2Enw44Z/SjZuLkP3Ei0rwaFBcMnj71gT1NAt08SzRSj2dnu48ZNYRvgaOYf0JxREk2GBmgPTebmEFcKc0MBiq1EMMv9RuStA82kPfqdxPiV2AAE= Received: by 10.86.80.5 with SMTP id d5mr5291094fgb.1186503634768; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.27.19 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560708070920h67d9941aq9e4dff05db2771e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:20:34 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: The Prophet In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0708061616s75cbc972p934abc12312313ef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0708061616s75cbc972p934abc12312313ef@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5304 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/6/07, Vid Sintef wrote: > > Again a sentence from The Prophet: > > .i so'i se djedi nu mi lo cortu gi'e lemi ka sepli cu nicte go'i gi'e > ma kakne cliva le ko'a cortu .e le ko'a ka sepli secau lo xenru > > (Long were the days of pain I have spent within its walls, and long > were the nights of aloneness; and who can depart from his pain and his > aloneness without regret?) Note that the contrast of days and nights calls for {donri}/{nicte}, not {djedi}. I suggest something like: .i clani fa lo donri pe lo nuncortu zi'e poi mi renvi fi'o sruri lo ko'a bitmu .ije clani fa lo nicte pe lo nunynonkansa .i ma pau nai kakne lo nu cliva lo vo'a nuncortu .e lo vo'a nunynonkansa gi'e nai xenru > Where is the "I have spent within its walls"? {fi'o sruri lo ko'a bitmu} would seem to work (assuming {ko'a} for whatever "its" refers to.) {se ru'u} would be nice for {fi'o sruri}, but it is currently not grammatical. mu'o mi'e xorxes