From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 09 07:08:09 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IJ8gK-0007BJ-SF for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:08:09 -0700 Received: from mail.bcpl.net ([204.255.212.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IJ8gA-0007Ak-Nl for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:08:08 -0700 Received: from webmail.bcpl.net (webmail.bcpl.net [204.255.212.24]) by mail.bcpl.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l79E7uYR012061 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:07:56 -0400 (EDT) X-WebMail-UserID: turnip Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:07:56 -0400 From: turnip To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002700 Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: anti-Zipfian gismu rant Message-ID: <46C27930@webmail.bcpl.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: 1.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 10 X-Spam-Bar: + X-archive-position: 5320 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: turnip@bcpl.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners >===== Original Message From "Jorge Llambías" ===== >On 8/9/07, turnip wrote: > >> >{natmritaliano} is not type-3. Type-3 would be {natmrxitaliano}. >> >> Please explain why? > >All type-3 are of one of these forms: > > CVCC-r-C... > CCVC-r-C... > CVC-r-C... > >(where -r- becomes -n- if one of the adjacents C is an r, >or -l- if one is an r and the other an n.) > >{natmritaliano} still happens to be of fu'ivla form, but it's an ordinary >type-4, not a type-3. The reason is that CVCC-r-V... is not guaranteed >to be a fu'ivla. For example, natmriblanu, from a hypothetical nationality >"iblanu", is a lujvo nat-mri-blanu. > >So when the borrowed word to be type-3-fu'ivlaized starts with a vowel, >an x is preappended in order to make it start with a consonant. Ah, you are right. I've never noticed "step 4" before. I thought the fact that there was a non-lojbanic medial VV (ia) cluster in there would be enough. ki'e, --gy