From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Aug 15 05:31:25 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ILI21-0000L9-2d for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:31:25 -0700 Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net ([68.230.240.59]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ILI1x-0000Kt-9q for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:31:24 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070815123114.KDVG18766.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:31:14 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id cCXC1X00K3y5FKc0000000; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:31:14 -0400 Message-ID: <46C2F26F.40801@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:32:47 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: anti-Zipfian gismu rant References: <194050.16228.qm@web56403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <194050.16228.qm@web56403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5370 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Nathaniel Krause wrote: > */Robert LeChevalier /* wrote: > > Loglan/Lojban did attempt to consider usage frequency, but our basis > was > Helen Eaton's 1930s "Semantic Frequency List" which makes an effort to > account for concepts as opposed to mere word forms. It only covered 4 > European languages, but even that removed some of the English biases. > > > By the way (I realise I've asked about this on the list before, but > perhaps someone has new information), does anybody currently have access > to the Eaton list? I'd like to get my hands on it. http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?S=R&bid=9162484038&cm_mmc=shopcompare-_-base-_-nonisbn-_-na has a used copy for sale. You can probably also get it on interlibrary loan from your local public library http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/top3mset/994140 indicated some 479 libraries that have copies. I have a couple of copies inherited from people who worked with JCB, but I think they were photocopied by JCB from the Dover Books edition when it was available (which I think it no longer is), and they aren't especially good copies (I think some are missing pages, for one thing). lojbab