From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Aug 15 08:02:42 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ILKOP-0005Wp-5B for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:02:41 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ILKOJ-0005Vl-Pp for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:02:40 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so777852nfv for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:02:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Zzg146bEsAR7Xp/eL42mjH6qyVKRt14vuR6aPMQ2eKvTmfk6smAGalmKH2wE2ST2cO5hVd2UocB0dlGS8zLt2jNG4fM6cAVfbZIJAc5lgUVNf2gufYelBCvpcwEfazGQAZzqmYDIRO1lJVPZS0xY+n0fg6HOtwuUdGndqXn7ozc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AAqT9T2ROG2RU3OsC3muo8dI11nKhDIf8SQ35bWKykPjNNVrkuP3IYcz3J2ri9EPZTM/RqUpRZjf0K3m/tgG30qvLFMMtdKnj6BZ1R4HRPTQE1xBDEjECWNtI0KkysNvVcSUVIYH8EGlnZmP9TFvh47981jMf1KK6U7lU7gUsSs= Received: by 10.86.81.8 with SMTP id e8mr466139fgb.1187190151504; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.27.19 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560708150802h4ff6b079kc545f45e3233137b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:02:31 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Standards and states In-Reply-To: <891449.11497.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <891449.11497.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5372 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/14/07, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: > {.i pycy cusku lu .ieru'e .oiru'e ku'i by puza klama ti gi'e cusku lu lo melbi ba'e cmalu u'i bo guzmrkukurbita bo purdi cu se ponse do doi paf li'u li'u > > .i lu do'i jetnu jufra .i sa'e do'i jetnu lo za'i karbi fi le so'i guzme purdi pe by li'u se cusku ko'e} > > The last sentence was originally: 'Especially compared to his his fields of pumpkins. > > The X2 in {jetnu} should be a standard/epistemology/metaphysics. Can the {lo za'i} abstraction be used here as the standard of comparison? I'm not very clear on what is meant to go in the x2 of jetnu, but perhaps {.i sa'e cmalu fi le so'i guzme purdi pe by} would have done. (That also solves the problem that {do'i} is being used to refer to an utterance inside a quotation, which is not its normal use.) It's also not very clear to me why a comparison would be a state. I would have said it was an achievement, eventually a process, perhaps it could even be an activity, but a state is the last event-type I would classify it as. mu'o mi'e xorxes