From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 20 11:21:47 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1INBsn-0006Rc-NP for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:21:46 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1INBsi-0006RM-6m for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:21:44 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so636761nfv for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:21:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tXqdKJ/HbvIJo8MYbMRia0NAqVMGG7wLEzrtQxbBCVO08E271Hcej2jQJc4feKUN/Uj6BNb8jAzVNiDjHIlHAiDtpIEQCtnwJ8pH7NwnLpD8Pp6Pf8Mfg4+gqYMUhEWCUF1bpQDyrCIt6rHZBca+ECz4bw/FeG9SiWioN+Tbxdc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uXC96Hlc9pedmO+c3Yf+anuWKH34UvWcd43h5uVp+A4pqOJbFhSEnjdL+nr9LIWUV/LRoiBiM4V8Qo3RHSg6479pi1VwgtxWri387tNpzmgSt32i8hBhvP52cwohy0Rzbahr+JpQcNsucPfXLpqE+NwVBLGuda4Hs5J+CT8h1gQ= Received: by 10.86.28.5 with SMTP id b5mr4741404fgb.1187634093933; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.27.19 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560708201121s5ca51112h6d7b72774121fd12@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:21:33 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: -PVO.FUT=RPT In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0708200549n435892f9p45bfe8de22ae961@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0708200549n435892f9p45bfe8de22ae961@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5395 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/20/07, Vid Sintef wrote: > > I've been looking for some natlang example corresponding to Lojban's > OVS/OVA word order (although Lojban doesn't really have such a thing > as "verb") and I came upon this Guarijio (an Uto-Atzecan language) > sentence in a Spanish document: > > Ihtébani o'ílaci yawi-pó=ra > Esteban casa.en bailar-PVO.FUT=RPT > Va a haber fiesta en la casa de esteban > > "PVO", "FUT", "RPT", what do they mean? (Jorge, I need your help!) According to: FUT: futuro (future) PVO: pasivo (passive) RPT: reportativo (reportative) Not sure what the reportative would be in Lojban, perhaps {ti'e}: ti'e bu'u le zdani be la esteban ba nu dansu mu'o mi'e xorxes