From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 21 14:08:08 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1INaxL-0001Nt-4G for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:08:07 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.230]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1INaxF-0001N9-Il for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:08:06 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1566594wxd for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:07:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jRCH40pOZ9jvcNn7p6zE+uTRsHqxT/TTB+UebpgPbQN1EWaxOhWh3DUf1c9ds3rhSB9DQMOCh+rcACUYuM3okEJpZlelkIEcyH7kIw8M09NpY0OzmAzll5ihWP9obwJq/r0Zs5sICfMQdtkiyu8lhstVe8EQeIwNbOxrugd4cBw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OvVqFmVEuJhtBxfI2TRNkSpce4s57gWmohJVvp5HzfLH9/ob+tYQFbdm4iCKWCrogZX/HL8L5Jn/OToAtYWa3B005gf5JWTW3PCPdVMDPZF2Pbk7A4o3v9L3I4pv9W+2n/XkXb0JTwpLwjYbCfthB0C5tCxQVTZWG1z+SDWtXCs= Received: by 10.70.77.2 with SMTP id z2mr13279196wxa.1187730458179; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.91.19 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0708211407x883448cuc625393a185c553e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:07:38 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cu'e In-Reply-To: <46CE0A56@webmail.bcpl.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46CE0A56@webmail.bcpl.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5412 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/21/07, turnip wrote: > bacu'e is ugnrammatical... see LRG (CLL), Chapter 10: > ---- > The only way to combine ``cu'e'' with other tense cmavo is through logical > connection, which makes a question that pre-specifies some information: > > 24.9) do puzi je cu'e sombo le gurni > You [past] [short] and [when?] sow the grain? > You sowed the grain a little while ago; > when else do you sow it? Yes, that's what I had read. But there are some points which make me uncertain of this explanation. Firstly, why is this {cu'e} defined to be questioning PU or ZI ("when?") and not ZEhA ("how long?")? Secondly, what is it meant by "to combine cu'e"? Is {cu'eku do puzi sombo le gurni} also such a combination? Thirdly, do "other tense cmavo" include VA, VEhA, FAhA, TAhE, ZAhO, ROI, etc? mu'o mi'e vid