From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 13 14:18:12 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IVw4i-0002md-BJ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:18:12 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IVw4g-0002mP-4f for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:18:12 -0700 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A580BCEAE2 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:18:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lei and loi Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:18:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <528816.49835.qm@web27711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <528816.49835.qm@web27711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200709131718.04265.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5430 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thursday 13 September 2007 06:42, Isen hand wrote: > Hi, > > I’m slowly working my way through “lojban for Beginners” and > I have a question about lei and loi from page 34. From what I have > understood you use lei and loi for groups with out specifying the number. > That fits in with the example given of “loi nanmu cu bevri le pipno” but > then the next example “lei pano ninmu cu cinba mi” has a number in it. From > my understanding it should be “lei ninmu cu cinba mi”. Have I > misunderstood? {lei} and {loi} mark the sumti as a mass. It can have a number in it. Suppose that Bob and Jim are a surveying team, and call them {le re nanmu}. {lei re nanmu cu merli le tumla} could mean that Bob worked the total station and Jim walked around with a prism to the lot corners. But if le re nanmu cu merli le tumla, either they're both using robots, or Bob hooked a tape at one corner, pulled it to the other corner, and read it, then Jim hooked a tape and read it at the other corner. So each by himself measured the land, rather than the two together doing it. Pierre