From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 14 07:05:19 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IWBmp-0005Y7-T7 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:05:09 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.186]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IWBmE-0005XJ-3p for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:04:40 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so585043nfv for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:03:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Nma7P9dNa4PvwbN/AcViMtcmg3xamA2E09xCCxGM0IY=; b=sKsxTRTblq1YnI9gKi4X8a4NKXJm5n/02rInRY+qhk/cFMxpwTp3BiQCERBv/K9uCw1ihMEBnLLMGww98j/7nY3l5fWu4BtcaYxvvlC79B7iQu9g3H+7okcG6kFIaZ0VPbCXc85tF/GibpROKKCiLlFMTiOVsgVDFvnT1UiDtSY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q+iqbm55DYBFKkyIj/ZhZ4mSAJvCghRiU/UN35GSkjZXlg10ZHz9yEasyt1qd2XOPQTxBdlcd+oM3w2E0mZjBtdtv1bDQ+b+3QgDoug8uOUD4TlqOTToNjqDPVfaCc1UGx+Gf776DWW7GTGMUcG4kXg6plpWKGbxtvqo+EPVLL8= Received: by 10.86.81.8 with SMTP id e8mr1434621fgb.1189778621553; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560709140703n20bd0fc0qf11c8b891e2cfee2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:03:41 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lei and loi In-Reply-To: <77DDB7B9-5579-4B4C-BBB7-190346543B69@umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <930718.57719.qm@web27704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <77DDB7B9-5579-4B4C-BBB7-190346543B69@umich.edu> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5433 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 9/14/07, Alex Martini wrote: > > But {lu'o} isn't an article (a {gadri}) so you can't say {lu'o # > broda} as far as I know. You can, but only because {# broda} is a valid sumti, a condensed form of {# lo broda}. The # in {loi # broda} is an "inner quantifier", while the # in {lu'o # broda} is an "outer quantifier". That's as far as the syntax is concerned. The semantics of {LAhE quantified-sumti} is problematic at least from a predicate logic point of view. mu'o mi'e xorxes