From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 27 05:31:17 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IasWT-0002zo-5J for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:31:17 -0700 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IasWL-0002z9-V3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:31:16 -0700 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n30so462185elf for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:30:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=gnqCxnhkcjRDfBmIOb69wyyRJRBEv3u21paadsMBDSc=; b=cGlLm0+FezcN5vxAd77lplltbAWU6o+DTAjG8zMLM7PynviZIXV25JkI9laPEp5eey2eFqCbCx2azEPnjT1agfxs3Vl7PMMmMToEbIW8NKg2OChGTqd9ZEr4ePABsqVChZ6rqE7LZBR4DALDGbxtzsvtY6cISbMNMUMm4CQCBUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=huWSS9Lg29KL2Z4Oe4C3wvzbJoe0J92fS4dufcc63SibbKyNcykd0D2CDL/qMllZEKBoF5qk07XHG8+Khi7vOS2zcbrmgpWEIvXRheXCSR3gXmHqkotW7fft1Q0ZKwoNAGz05BGMe9QAPcPnYsVUe8jgi110ieBmX98Dy3cWNAg= Received: by 10.114.179.1 with SMTP id b1mr361240waf.1190896245645; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.16.20 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:30:45 -0400 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: My Intro...with a request for help as a bonus. In-Reply-To: <200709262152.54117.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200709262152.54117.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5440 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 9/26/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Wednesday 26 September 2007 20:51, Atomichron B wrote: > > Hello, fellow Lojban Learners (or Lojban Experts; whatever). I'm Chelsea > > and currently know English, German, and *un peu *French. And of course > > learning Lojban is the next logical step... (Actually, I saw it on xkcd. > > And I'm quite glad I did.) Languages are awesome, so I'm *really* trying to > > learn this as well. > > > > However, I think I'm struggling with "Lojban for Beginners". A good sign? I > > think not. I'm trying to work with the alphabet, and my first "exercise" > > was to spell my name out...but does it actually look something like what > > I've written below? > > > > cy. .y'y.bu. .ebu. ly. sy. .ebu. .abu. > > > > I think possibly the "h" is messing me up. Or something. Any help would be > > great; thanks much! Welcome, Chelsea! Glad to see you. We'll be happy to help. Here is a hint to figure out this puzzle! The letters "c" "h" make the CH sound in English. But there is no reason for this. The mouth does not start with a "c" sound and transition into an "h" sound when it creates a ch sound. What two sounds, when you put them one after another, blend into that sound? Second clue. English puts "e" in front of "a" and sometimes this makes the ee sound. There is no reason for this. Lojban forms only one sound per letter, and consistently uses only one spelling per sound. There are six letters in the Lojbanized version of "Chelsea". Here is your first challenge: what is the spelling? -Eppcott > You are correct. There is no 'h' in Lojban, so the name for it is formed by > adding {bu} to the name of the apostrophe. The other two Latin letters not > used in Lojban are named similarly: {kybu} and {vybu}. Pierre, You probably meant to type {wybu}, not {vybu}. -Eppcott