From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Oct 03 12:07:09 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Id9Yq-0001Zz-Gp for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:07:09 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.238]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Id9Yn-0001ZY-C5 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:07:08 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so3637207wxd for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:07:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vnhZEn5rcJtJETYppu3RmqL7nu1b+hiPQOnlJ2E+i38=; b=br2cjSG6phtZ7NUD+NN3Lq6wyScaYmD+6nqVvQo8wXKY3WgxeeOl0i4MEJRsfuqaX8/mfYfC7pZhpNHax/6z7GjUCMA2QHdCtBUGC2K5DcjnWFttYR+/p4QbNE0RvojS+aegIFqaqJzrqSStsJKVvxbyC86RBEBkYiyklWHQe34= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mXyv3x+HHLktlB9mlcfVA89wjswzTJt+pZlhvvyJR+Sn4TfjCewzbmR5zx8/+AcfwabgQ//bw7YSgIZP0MZ4ZvbKQvmowGCkjiIFHzhNNxd/2fU4iVyfOFSfbUV16sTPYXfDdNxORSxARcCLKvxzoqtB8CKZuPw+egtf5575Ohk= Received: by 10.90.117.1 with SMTP id p1mr70164agc.1191438423777; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.106.15 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9a9f96400710031207u721dd1b0u66ea6e0a265de759@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:07:03 -0400 From: "Tom Sturgeon" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: coi (was: s'oi) In-Reply-To: <4703BFA9.3050302@perpetuum-immobile.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27972_14399622.1191438423771" References: <9a9f96400710021809t6c9cf403wd5a21c8243c053fb@mail.gmail.com> <4703BFA9.3050302@perpetuum-immobile.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5462 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: bentaisan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_27972_14399622.1191438423771 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As far as the logical positivism goes (and its impact on Karl Poppers reflections on the nature and practice of science), and with other philosophical problems, the use of English makes me want to ram my head into concrete until my brains spill out. It can be done, but is very frustrating. So, I hoped to expand the tools that I think with to see if this helps. Thanks for the tips. I have had several responses, all of which have presented the rules in essentially the same way, which is a good sign. Thanks, tamys On 10/3/07, Timo Paulssen wrote: > > Tom Sturgeon wrote: > > s'oi > > coi fi'i > > > mihe t'omys > > mi'e timos > > > That is about the extent of my lojban. > > don't worry, the beginnings of lojban can be easily grasped if you're > not as lazy as me. > > > I am wondering if so many questions are malformed or rendered > > meaningless from a logical positivism standpoint due to the limitations > > of the language. > > i don't understand? > > > I hope that learning lojban will help me organize some of my thinking, > > both in lojban and English. > > it might give you a different perspective on english, at least it did > that for me :) > > > ---- > > there are, however, a few fundamental flaws in your knowledge of lojban: > first: it's not s'oi, it's coi and the c makes a sound similar to the > one most english "sh"'s do. > second: the ' can only occur between vocals, so your cmene should be > tomys not t'omys. it also completely replaces h, so it's mi'e not mihe. > > if you find the time you should definitly have a look at the #lojban irc > channel on the freenode network! > > hope to see you there > - Timo > > > ------=_Part_27972_14399622.1191438423771 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As far as the logical positivism goes (and its impact on Karl Poppers reflections on the nature and practice of science), and with other philosophical problems, the use of English makes me want to ram my head into concrete until my brains spill out.

It can be done, but is very frustrating. So, I hoped to expand the tools that I think with to see if this helps.

Thanks for the tips.

I have had several responses, all of which have presented the rules in essentially the same way, which is a good sign.

Thanks,
tamys

On 10/3/07, Timo Paulssen <timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wrote:
Tom Sturgeon wrote:
> s'oi

coi fi'i

> mihe t'omys

mi'e timos

> That is about the extent of my lojban.

don't worry, the beginnings of lojban can be easily grasped if you're
not as lazy as me.

> I am wondering if so many questions are malformed or rendered
> meaningless from a logical positivism standpoint due to the limitations
> of the language.

i don't understand?

> I hope that learning lojban will help me organize some of my thinking,
> both in lojban and English.

it might give you a different perspective on english, at least it did
that for me :)


----

there are, however, a few fundamental flaws in your knowledge of lojban:
first: it's not s'oi, it's coi and the c makes a sound similar to the
one most english "sh"'s do.
second: the ' can only occur between vocals, so your cmene should be
tomys not t'omys. it also completely replaces h, so it's mi'e not mihe.

if you find the time you should definitly have a look at the #lojban irc
channel on the freenode network!

hope to see you there
  - Timo



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