From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 11 04:11:14 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ifvwf-000402-QU for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:11:14 -0700 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ifvwe-0003zW-0R for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:11:13 -0700 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b22so437730rvf for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:11:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Fr7PlYjt4ROQHj5D9fFiggBBwJPLDR47+YgbCHiemyw=; b=TGs9CCLP+k5pBPtCp6l3cCnyZ+iIjadlF74u/TGg8lOVSLHpKjtGcHw75m0mFMFPZgCwBJSakvUqi3Tx3TYdNltru6FmnGK0HC3Fd8sewJNGil72Ll9/j8vbprql7ZM8+WQsfPumuUReUpA7ZZb+xBEGb/HGCuYNDtMzQNNxHWU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AedIFf/kNAfpVNE4DDTinKaNVbZkKE1WaxtRnKPkhFhiUAr7Y4ocu8uE56UWV3nIihwnwiiCZTdxUAOgywTigmf5U5aNQZdKP7mJJkOaRlWcCFO3c/W8UhM8FJhNRB1ChitaODrsMUvDsEu6Vr/WjX4h4loss+LugX6bR1hyVv0= Received: by 10.114.137.2 with SMTP id k2mr2029984wad.1192101070198; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.16.20 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:11:10 -0400 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: yet more beginner questions In-Reply-To: <71550650710110250g10bc02c3y5892e00cdc6c07de@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <71550650710110250g10bc02c3y5892e00cdc6c07de@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5478 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 10/11/07, Yoav Nir wrote: > Hi. > > I'm new to studying lojban, and am working my way through "Lojban for > beginners" > > I have a few questions already. > > First, is how to spell my name. I know the English spelling doesn't give a > lot of clues (it's a Hebrew name). It's pronounced as two syllables, the > first is like "Yo" in yonder, the second "av" as in the first syllable of > "avril" in Spanish. I'm guessing that ioav won't cut it because of the three > consecutive vowels, so should it be io,av. Also am I supposed to capitalize > the second syllable (io,AV) to show where the stress is every time, or is > that optional? My American pronunciation of "yonder" has the lojban "a" in the first syllable. Click the Sound Sample link to hear it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_front_unrounded_vowel Lojban "o" is pronounced like this sound sample: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-mid_back_rounded_vowel > Second, I've read that lojban names have to end in a consonant, so if they > don't, we add one. My question is, do we pronounce the 's' in la meiris ? Yes. There are no silent characters in Lojban. Lojbanization of a name usually changes the pronunciation, not just the spelling. > Third, I've seen that the apostrophe is used to make an 'h' sound, whereas > the h character is not used. Why is that? Why didn't the inventors of > lojban (or does it date back to loglan?) simply use an h for the h sound? Because they wanted it to be immediately clear that this sound/character set served a special morphological seperating function similar to punctuation, separating vowel pairs. It is not permissable to use outside that function. The morphological rules give permissable sequences of C V ' (consonant, vowel, "h" sound). Had it been an "h" character, it would not have been immediately visible that it is considered neither a consonant or a vowel for purposes of the rules. > That's it for now. I'm sure I'll have more questions as I go on. > > mi'e io,AV > Thanks for your questions! Keep them coming. -Eppcott