From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Oct 17 10:44:29 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IiCwW-0001a4-OT for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:44:28 -0700 Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net ([68.230.240.8]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IiCwU-0001Ze-EW for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:44:28 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071017174419.KQSX1681.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:44:19 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 1VkG1Y00T3y5FKc0000000; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:44:19 -0400 Message-ID: <47164A52.90802@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:45:54 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Why not a new LfB text? References: <559018.59883.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <559018.59883.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5487 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: > But will this issue be an open one forever, or is there a date by which > we can expect a final decsion? There is no specific date, and given my record of promising dictionaries and textbooks for many years without delivering, you would be wise not to believe me if I did give a date. > Having all of the community accept the change is surely an impossibility No. There have been far greater changes that have been easily accepted. >- in the meantime, confusion will reign unabated. It shouldn't, since it is claimed xorlo would make very little pre-xorlo text incorrect. xorlo affects the logico-semantic analysis of a gadri expression, but does not change the grammar. Things have muddled along without xorlo for 20 years, and for 30 years before that in Loglan. Xorxes has been arguing for changes of the sort incorporated into xorlo for about 13 years. It is hard to see the lack of a final decision as a crisis. Just how are such things decided? By consensus among the byfy membership, and consensus sometimes takes a while to achieve, especially since a "final decision" is not a high priority for many of us. Furthermore, the policy right now is that NO decisions will be final until we have completed ALL of the baseline review, and defined ALL of the cmavo. lojbab