From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Oct 17 15:09:14 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IiH4j-0003zm-RD for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:09:14 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IiH4f-0003zf-5p for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:09:13 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so1731059nfv for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wJYv0QHogFcQn0ghF5eiYEmlRDiXy/zMJwSMBi6tfs0=; b=sPfGBHG95tCaKIZsW+i4kzbhjjX6JGyOke0PHfs7N3chCXyQB7X63b+1LRYZ+8HjUbcBhhjP8tFUZykhiQ0kK2yosJvqpVKAr3lmLnjuzPijgM+BgIV88I6Pbe+HItkuauBFMezDTYM2u34U56DDquyERqxsO6TORdB+i0mbWgE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fAejShcWL1fr98+MfUDnZr+ETPnvu9jNKSYBdouY8cqjKnmmpePdM0GyG5RnPCNQzKDLodOfhEUBAUCRV7aWDsj907yAKN3OADJUogs9O2SolGdt4JUE8S1Abj3rZk4RC7OSbkAZjhGhMLfn7CEA2wAGt0l+ZTLukZ4qFKTGM30= Received: by 10.86.81.8 with SMTP id e8mr7188953fgb.1192658947311; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560710171509r68932c08s8778bf760bd443c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:09:07 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Why not a new LfB text? In-Reply-To: <200710171747.01720.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <559018.59883.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <925d17560710171409k15ea657dve5fdc1096cd683fd@mail.gmail.com> <200710171747.01720.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5494 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 10/17/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > With xorlo, you can say "I need a doctor" > without implying that you need a particular doctor but don't know which one. > (If you did know, you'd say {le}.) But how do I say "I need three oranges"? > {mi nitcu ci najnimre} does mean that there are three oranges that I need, > but I could have any three oranges and be satisfied. {mi nitcu lo ci najnimre}. In xorlo the inner quantifier is not the total number of oranges that exist in the world. > Also, what's the place structure of {xorlo}? "x1 is apostate/blasphemous/disobedient/iconoclastic/irreligious /irreverent/profane/sacrilegious/wayward in property/aspect x2" mu'o mi'e xorxes