From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 18 09:17:05 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IiY3U-0001Eq-L4 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:17:04 -0700 Received: from netscaler2.rice.edu ([128.42.206.5] helo=mh1.mail.rice.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IiY3S-0001ES-TV for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:17:04 -0700 Received: from mh1.mail.rice.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mh1.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EC6384297 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:16:56 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-2.4.4 at mh1.mail.rice.edu Received: from mh1.mail.rice.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by mh1.mail.rice.edu (mh1.mail.rice.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ppWr0BMAQj8b for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:16:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Starlight (student-109-mar142-225.rice.edu [10.109.142.225]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mh1.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DDA38429F for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:16:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Marjorie Scherf" To: References: <925d17560710180911r61f51d1au6e5c90b63b54a724@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "With /n/ confidence..." Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:14:38 -0600 Message-ID: <004501c811aa$5d58eac0$e18e6d0a@Starlight> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis In-Reply-To: <925d17560710180911r61f51d1au6e5c90b63b54a724@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcgRoeDcs8J06EI2TGikVDHjhMUoHgACDcaQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5499 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mls1@rice.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Llambías Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:12 AM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "With /n/ confidence..." On 10/18/07, David Cortesi wrote: > > Although "with N confidence" is pedantic and stuffy in scientific papers, > such a prefix, if concise, could have more general use in a logical > language. "I'm 90% sure I will go to the store..." or "the noise in the > bushes that I am .75 certain is a bear..." Some useful idioms could follow, > like "With zero confidence I assert" as a whimsical way of saying "baloney", > etc. What you describe would have to be a cmavo of selma'o MAI, that turns a number into an indicator, but here are only two cmavo there {mai} and {mo'o}, which have a different meaning. You can always create your own indicator with {sei}, but that's a bit more wordy (though not much more than in English) for example {sei mi sonoce'i va'e birti}, {sei mi pizemu va'e birti}. mu'o mi'e xorxes If a good brivla can be found to convey amount of certainty, you could use the modal place prefix {fi'o} to add a place to the structure. mu'omi'e .skaryzgik.