From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Oct 24 07:00:20 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IkgmA-0005qc-8X for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:00:15 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.186]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ikglk-0005oY-RU for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:59:57 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so151723nfv for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:59:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=OcTeJECrM1X+1dSIVy6sH94s48fLzIsXsxvMph0xhTw=; b=nXSo/X40SnGodZ0UVpUgErHEJRiidtwVH46a7kdrWuLwaVUSQ2nz5LC97B+bG8zYVvbqhycpTakccRHeEN/CifcSmZ83W5aJB7FJF7tTfwKhIe+USR5feabjW6wIvAd5oablQw0iu5P+JrFemw1CPy4Hg0fm3BLMgTyCqwdVA0M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ko5zax0IOfcUd6AZ0A2GYm2mx1fnomQizFJMQQ1qeTcbJMqP/4TZQCRNCG+gj0HZtReo+SZbuRxsWcevzSREtwyO/ywWZIZuB02myMtyLIjrJJXe9lbESMnGlV8oSr45kwhioo/bM4KCbWvn99yhFNxHfFMYpWeop0mrRLqPOxQ= Received: by 10.86.90.2 with SMTP id n2mr474469fgb.1193233948024; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560710240652m68c09a05i2da6b09641764142@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:52:27 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: learning to climb on floors In-Reply-To: <97f5058c0710240617q12c6cd38w75d6a9aa5c881fc2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ee9d0ca0710222351q7547a487q41a4e89b31ab2f30@mail.gmail.com> <6ee9d0ca0710230707q775f2d89o8a33afd586c69b56@mail.gmail.com> <5e124660710230747q6dcb1da8y4e3fca5c10e4952f@mail.gmail.com> <6ee9d0ca0710231028y4e96cb86s6417bad09115c5cd@mail.gmail.com> <97f5058c0710231049k120b01a5o7dbbe705522431f2@mail.gmail.com> <6ee9d0ca0710231113n4e2889adl8700f7e124a5c095@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560710231204u8176ab2v3637e3d267ccae41@mail.gmail.com> <71550650710240124m111eb71ftff3fa65670e87fc8@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560710240546j541a8e50n834afa058372c4f2@mail.gmail.com> <97f5058c0710240617q12c6cd38w75d6a9aa5c881fc2@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5562 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 10/24/07, Penguino wrote: > Interesting. I'm wondering, since crebi'o literally means "become expert > at", would it more properly refer to the actual acquisition of the skill, > and not the process? You can use it to refer to the acquisition as a whole {lo nu co'i crebi'o}, {lo mu'e crebi'o}, or to the process as it unfolds {lo nu ca'o crebi'o}, {lo pu'e crebi'o}. > Perhaps the OP can be better rephrased as "Connor is > trying to become expert at crawling"; la kanr. troci lezu'o crebi'o lezu'o > cidydzu? Of course this makes the sentence quite complicated. Maybe a new > word is needed, crebixtoi "try to become expert at" perhaps? There is no end to the process of precisifying what you mean. :) But maybe Connor was really learning, not just trying to learn? Most children do actually learn how to crawl. mu'o mi'e xorxes