From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Oct 24 07:48:07 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IkhWg-0004Af-Jg for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:48:06 -0700 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com ([72.14.204.236]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IkhWe-0004AT-Mj for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:48:06 -0700 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id o24so2215304qba for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:47:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=S19LvY0bUoHa7ptFLLK8iNqE+I+pHfwb6B4d16Bz56Y=; b=R9wS320D3/x3aOJxcyIYofvrfn0bQOHgKm59IykUOXL2CFc5AjDL1Zdgg5VhsZI/wSvW8ZEjdsqn6yvx4LFpnfk/kt5Lom1KqeqtHrvxqkrLXKYTFoCGl9URjKpQlF470FupjIU+rRhbEnHzwh+hG+Q7Pu4sNUfa0nfRpalpj1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=T2GOaiDSxBAyus2X7QWf77Fg/uIFiowb1SruYRKrB2pe6bPoanfCmVZ2N++1Zx/Y2Ocle1uROowJpqpfg2Iii7Qgs9J0q2Y5z9tLNYMfTUJU/o86MNbwWuJ5LqpLBNoqVLlagpvfKT06zUrIAKd3ZWFEjmP4eJnmydX/OpWagu0= Received: by 10.141.204.16 with SMTP id g16mr306252rvq.1193237277194; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.123.14 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97f5058c0710240747l34aadc9di97ed8b4670bbf278@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:47:57 +0800 From: Penguino To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: learning to climb on floors In-Reply-To: <925d17560710240652m68c09a05i2da6b09641764142@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3414_22709914.1193237277172" References: <6ee9d0ca0710222351q7547a487q41a4e89b31ab2f30@mail.gmail.com> <5e124660710230747q6dcb1da8y4e3fca5c10e4952f@mail.gmail.com> <6ee9d0ca0710231028y4e96cb86s6417bad09115c5cd@mail.gmail.com> <97f5058c0710231049k120b01a5o7dbbe705522431f2@mail.gmail.com> <6ee9d0ca0710231113n4e2889adl8700f7e124a5c095@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560710231204u8176ab2v3637e3d267ccae41@mail.gmail.com> <71550650710240124m111eb71ftff3fa65670e87fc8@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560710240546j541a8e50n834afa058372c4f2@mail.gmail.com> <97f5058c0710240617q12c6cd38w75d6a9aa5c881fc2@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560710240652m68c09a05i2da6b09641764142@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5564 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_3414_22709914.1193237277172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline "There is no end to the process of precisifying what you mean. :)" .ie.u'i On 10/24/07, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > On 10/24/07, Penguino wrote: > > Interesting. I'm wondering, since crebi'o literally means "become exper= t > > at", would it more properly refer to the actual acquisition of the > skill, > > and not the process? > > You can use it to refer to the acquisition as a whole {lo nu co'i > crebi'o}, > {lo mu'e crebi'o}, or to the process as it unfolds {lo nu ca'o crebi'o}, > {lo pu'e crebi'o}. > > > Perhaps the OP can be better rephrased as "Connor is > > trying to become expert at crawling"; la kanr. troci lezu'o crebi'o > lezu'o > > cidydzu? Of course this makes the sentence quite complicated. Maybe a > new > > word is needed, crebixtoi "try to become expert at" perhaps? > > There is no end to the process of precisifying what you mean. :) > > But maybe Connor was really learning, not just trying to learn? > Most children do actually learn how to crawl. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > ------=_Part_3414_22709914.1193237277172 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline "There is no end to the process of precisifying what you mean. :)"= ;
.ie.u'i

On 10/24/07, Jorge Llamb=EDas < jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/24/07, Penguino < spheniscine@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting. I'm wondering= , since crebi'o literally means "become expert
> at", w= ould it more properly refer to the actual acquisition of the skill,
> and not the process?

You can use it to refer to the acquisition= as a whole {lo nu co'i crebi'o},
{lo mu'e crebi'o}, or = to the process as it unfolds {lo nu ca'o crebi'o},
{lo pu'e = crebi'o}.

> Perhaps the OP can be better rephrased as "Connor is
&= gt; trying to become expert at crawling"; la kanr. troci lezu'o cr= ebi'o lezu'o
> cidydzu? Of course this makes the sentence qui= te complicated. Maybe a new
> word is needed, crebixtoi "try to become expert at" perh= aps?

There is no end to the process of precisifying what you mean. := )

But maybe Connor was really learning, not just trying to learn?
Most children do actually learn how to crawl.

mu'o mi'e = xorxes




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