From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Oct 24 20:02:41 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IkszZ-0005pj-7w for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:02:41 -0700 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.185]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IkszX-0005pX-B6 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:02:41 -0700 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b22so326697rvf for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:02:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=QRhB3JPoW1NAmS1nIRvU1uEkgmSQujqPmx3wHUnV5/0=; b=aL2clPhPUm0Bu9YlBEimBN8bjR1Yejt/gBUwIB6ebabP6ov8Jpw7wY6DtJkfnLNYAjnUrgBKtDVk3jJT8xPaZTrG6nRD9wbrHSk2h+NHB39jjNfY+0fOr8T6yxG31HoyTDGMUNzxlxzlCRRLlXhSlMPVEHvA0ugZOldcYXd8ukQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Hk/8B0EvslzRTvwmIaI8QIeQzEAZuAs43XtuH0FCG7Xyg9+hzab5uETnpL5gZIsdOo7Q3CWbsZJyePonWMP0InHtEbNRYZ4wkeiIXKEcs2RAmN7fK/R2yP7LPkr/47WZQ+0WTrGHLbJsbnOkwE3UXhCXIhMp/4OUasJuXBPScnY= Received: by 10.140.249.20 with SMTP id w20mr667867rvh.1193281353286; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.123.14 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97f5058c0710242002x59356ec2y5f5cd1573aa1963c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:02:33 +0800 From: Penguino To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome In-Reply-To: <97f5058c0710241958g55637af8xf017d9a756ace2b0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4705_2468965.1193281353272" References: <2204fa080710241504x4784f740n559fad67f6504056@mail.gmail.com> <71550650710241529q450b70ecn428050e75e6b58b1@mail.gmail.com> <8905c87a0710241646k258db02av554206eded586e11@mail.gmail.com> <200710242131.53655.phma@phma.optus.nu> <8905c87a0710241842h36070025tf625d14918ae8f41@mail.gmail.com> <97f5058c0710241850n14512f0ai2b214c0c39a63b03@mail.gmail.com> <2204fa080710241901k4b916a9t3d930b02ea7ed103@mail.gmail.com> <2204fa080710241906l70ef354i6f1ff6d9aa0e42d9@mail.gmail.com> <97f5058c0710241958g55637af8xf017d9a756ace2b0@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5593 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_4705_2468965.1193281353272 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Besides, voiced-unvoiced pairs are hard to pronounce. On 10/25/07, Penguino wrote: > > Hey I'm just informing. I'm not about to enter a hardliner/naturalist > debate. > > On 10/25/07, Jared Angell < angell.jared@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > "The v and s aren't allowed together; they're a voiced-unvoiced > > consonant pair. They must either be separated with a y, or a > > different rafsi be selected." > > > > If Lojban is being allowed to evolve like a natural language than who > > cares? > > > > Everytime a new fraze enters into contemporary English it violates > > English grammatical rules. At least when it comes to spoken English. > > > > In fact a great deal of spoken language seems to come directly from > > the poetic license of music...which almost never conforms to the rules > > of grammar by definition. > > > > Why be particular about these things to maintain the rules of Lojban? > > > > On 10/24/07, Jared Angell wrote: > > > Geodesic domes are half-spheres composed out of triangles, does that > > help??? > > > > > > On 10/24/07, Penguino wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't {ruvsirselgunma} be acceptable as well, though? > > > > > > > > > > > > Not really. The v and s aren't allowed together; they're a > > voiced-unvoiced > > > > consonant pair. They must either be separated with a y, or a > > different > > > > rafsibe selected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jared > > > > > > "There is no emotion, there is peace; there is no ignorance, there is > > > knowledge; there is no passion, there is serenity; there is no > > > death, there is the Universe" > > > > > > "Work smart when you can and hard if you must" > > > > > > "When a system is corrupt then it's time for a reformat" > > > > > > "Open Source: The light side of computing. It's never too late to > > join" > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jared > > > > "There is no emotion, there is peace; there is no ignorance, there is > > knowledge; there is no passion, there is serenity; there is no > > death, there is the Universe" > > > > "Work smart when you can and hard if you must" > > > > "When a system is corrupt then it's time for a reformat" > > > > "Open Source: The light side of computing. It's never too late to join" > > > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_4705_2468965.1193281353272 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Besides, voiced-unvoiced pairs are hard to pronounce.

On 10/25/07, Penguino <spheniscine@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey I'm just informing. I'm not about to enter a hardliner/naturalist debate.


On 10/25/07, Jared Angell < angell.jared@gmail.com> wrote:
"The v and s aren't allowed together; they're a voiced-unvoiced
consonant pair. They must either be separated with a  y, or a
different rafsi be selected."

If Lojban is being allowed to evolve like a natural language than who cares?

Everytime a new fraze enters into contemporary English it violates
English grammatical rules.  At least when it comes to spoken English.

In fact a great deal of spoken language seems to come directly from
the poetic license of music...which almost never conforms to the rules
of grammar by definition.

Why be particular about these things to maintain the rules of Lojban?

On 10/24/07, Jared Angell < angell.jared@gmail.com> wrote:
> Geodesic domes are half-spheres composed out of triangles, does that help???
>
> On 10/24/07, Penguino < spheniscine@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Wouldn't {ruvsirselgunma} be acceptable as well, though?
> >
> >
> > Not really. The v and s aren't allowed together; they're a voiced-unvoiced
> > consonant pair. They must either be separated with a y, or a different
> > rafsibe selected.
> >
>
>
> --
> Jared
>
> "There is no emotion, there is peace;  there is no ignorance, there is
> knowledge;  there is no passion, there is serenity;  there is no
> death, there is the Universe"
>
> "Work smart when you can and hard if you must"
>
> "When a system is corrupt then it's time for a reformat"
>
> "Open Source: The light side of computing.  It's never too late to join"
>


--
Jared

"There is no emotion, there is peace;  there is no ignorance, there is
knowledge;  there is no passion, there is serenity;  there is no
death, there is the Universe"

"Work smart when you can and hard if you must"

"When a system is corrupt then it's time for a reformat"

"Open Source: The light side of computing.  It's never too late to join"





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