From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 25 06:40:39 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Il2ww-0006MB-P9 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:40:39 -0700 Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net ([68.230.240.47]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Il2wt-0006LI-IV for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:40:38 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071025134030.BJDO1395.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:40:30 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 4dgM1Y00P3y5FKc0000000; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:40:23 -0400 Message-ID: <47209CB8.8070703@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:40:08 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: geodesic dome References: <821531.97363.qm@web27709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2204fa080710250218g1d01c396gc2cffe2594094d0a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2204fa080710250218g1d01c396gc2cffe2594094d0a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5610 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Jared Angell wrote: > "Except that they're not. Specifically, not just any arrangement of > triangles would not necessarily be geodesic. The important thing > about the design is that the struts form lines that are straight in > relationship to the curved surface. " > > I'm referring to Buckminister Fuellers design...I was not aware that > there are others. I have read his books and seen many of these and > all that I am aware of are as I described but maybe there is something > you know that I don't...? The debate on how to translate geodesic reveals one of the critical problems that makes translation difficult, especially when dealing with texts that involve specialist terms or jargon. We don't know exactly what the English words mean, and our translations can be no better than our guesses as to the meaning. Lest it be helpful, here is what Merriam Webster has as the definition of "geodesic" as an adjective used with "dome". Note that this is different from the noun, which is defined as a mathematical term. 2 : made of light straight structural elements mostly in tension Some other definitions that Google came up with. Note that only one of these definitions mentions triangles: geodesic dome n. A domed or vaulted structure of straight elements that form interlocking polygons. a dome built according to the principles of geodetic construction patented by R. Buckminster Fuller from the New York Times, March 20, 1959: The ... www.columbia.edu/cu/gsapp/BT/DOMES/GLOSSRY/gloss.html A dome constructed according to the patents of R. Buckminster Fuller, in which the pattern of surface divisions is always a function of an entire sphere. Commonly constructed with prefabricated structural triangles linked together in a mosaic to create the domed shape. www.wisbuild.org/wisbuild/resource+center/building+glossary/default.asp Hemispherical dome made of prefabricated geometrically shaped units interconnecting to give stability in all directions. www.dreamghar.com/gdic.html Invented by Buckminster Fuller. Have the advantage that these can be placed directly on the ground as a complete structure and have few limitations of size. www.unistates.com/rmt/explained/glossary/rmtglossaryghijk.html A rounded structure made of short, straight, triangular sections that form polygons. roofgenius.com/RoofInfo/Roof-Terminology.asp A structure constructed of lightweight bars forming a grid of polygons. modestoarearealestate.com/home_advice/glossary_of_terms/glossary-g.htm a lightweight dome constructed of interlocking polygons; invented by R. Buckminster Fuller wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn A geodesic dome is an almost spherical structure based on a network of struts arranged on great circles (geodesics) lying approximately on the surface of a sphere. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic dome lojbab