From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Oct 28 08:20:50 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Im9wX-0003kt-Ub for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:20:50 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Im9wV-0003kP-P3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:20:49 -0700 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14F2CE58C for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:20:45 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:20:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <975a94850710270735t210f5212s8d39dd0003c08578@mail.gmail.com> <975a94850710271658m5bdfbb23y7a0c7b271ad5acba@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <975a94850710271658m5bdfbb23y7a0c7b271ad5acba@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200710281120.42422.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5720 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Saturday 27 October 2007 19:58, Joel Shellman wrote: > > rafsi: affix syllable (like a suffix or prefix) > > This doesn't tell me much of what it's used for. Are rafsi used for > any purpose other than lujvo generation? Yes; they're also used for making type 3 fu'ivla. For example, {fiprgado} is made of {fip-}, the rafsi of {finpe}; a hyphen-letter; and "Gadus", the genus name. Lujvo are used for both compounding and derivation. Derivatives are most words formed by adding a rafsi of a cmavo, such as {selbri}, {tolmorji}, and {nuncasnu}. Lujvo formed by adding rafsi of selma'o GOhA, such as {comdaidza} "thingamajig", are compounds. Comparatives and superlatives, unlike in English, are compounds. > > tanru: metaphoric modifier-phrase > > interesting, how is it metaphoric? Often it isn't; that word was chosen for the keyword in the gimste for reasons I don't know. {gerku zdani}, in the usual sense of {gerzda} or in the dwelling-of-fleas sense, is not metaphoric but literal. > > bridi: sentence made of arguments connected by a relationship > > I'd be a little concerned about using "sentence" flat out... it's not > necessarily the same. In logic terms, a bridi is a predicate, right? > So, I could say a "predicate composed of a relationship and its > arguments." Oh! Well, yeah, that's what shows up on jbovlaste, so > yeah, that works for me. "sentence" is {jufra}; that word can be used for a string of bridi connected by conjunctions or for an interjection, neither of which is a bridi. "predicate", as the term is used in English grammar (and IE grammar in general), is {brirebla}, not {bridi}. > > sumti: an argument in a sentence. > > I'm going to say "argument to a selbri in a bridi" as that can be > stated without qualification, I assume. The term "argument" is used in rarbau gerna in this sense, but it's not found in your average English grammar. Pierre